More robust than a Reader but don't need a Desktop/Laptop - what are my options for Logos

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Greg Rose | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 22 2020 1:11 PM

Currently I run Verbum 9 on a desktop and a pretty robust laptop. I'd like to get a device that I can hold - more like an IPAD (I think) to read - not one I have to rest on my lap like a laptop. I'd like it to have some functionality, hence not a reader like device - i.e. not a Kindle. But I'd also like to be able to download a number of Logos books to it.   I don't know if it would be best to use a mobile app or use download the full Verbum software. I'd want to be able to bookmark my location and do some searches.  I don't know what kind of storage size would be necessary for a device like this. 

I'd appreciate suggestions.  Thanks.

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2020 2:04 PM

Let me offer you two options - both of which I have.  

1) Microsoft Surface Go 2: Get the 8gb RAM/128 GB SSD one.  It has a ten inch display and runs Windows 10.  You can hold it in your hand like a tablet, or attach a keyboard.  You can run the desktop Verbum 9 software on it.  It has a microSD card slot to expand storage if needed.  

2) Onyx Boox Nova 2 or Note 3: These are two E-Ink devices that run Android 9 or 10.  You would install the Verbum Android app on them.  The Nova has a 7.8 inch display; the Note has a ten inch display.  I find E-Ink easier on my eyes for extended reading.  This of either as an enhanced Kindle.  You can do searches and highlighting on either.  The only difference is that E-Ink comes usually in grayscale, not color, so your highlights will be in grayscale as well.  E-Ink is  not a good choice for videos or games.  These devices handle pdfs quite well, though.  

The Nova would be the least expensive and the easiest to hold in one hand.  The Surface would be the most versatile.  It depends on what matters most to you and how you would use the device.  

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 12:23 AM

Greg Rose:
more like an IPAD (I think) to read - not one I have to rest on my lap like a laptop.

The iPad is a pretty amazing device and things with it are likely to develop quite quickly now that the Mac desk/laptop line is moving to ARM processors.

A device you hold in your hand is unlikely to be ergonomically suitable for the sort of work that a desktop installation can accomplish but the Logos App is very useful for reading and searching.

I regularly lead worship using my iPad for the script and often control Proclaim at the same time. The iPad doubles as a video recorder, voice recorder and teleprompter when not being used as a reader.

You get a lot of 'bang for your buck' if you go the iPad route. 

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 1:22 AM

I also use an iPad for most of the things I use Logos for now - I do most of my reading on it, as I get more page on the screen and navigating through the pages is easier, and you can use it for all the things you mentioned in your original post. You have control over which books you download to it, and can use Favourites, Reading Plans and highlights with it. I have also preached from it using Sermon Builder ever since it first came into the product (with a different name that I've already forgotten). Even original-language reading has been made a very smooth experience with it now. I tend to use Logos on my desktop now for sermon/lesson prep, detailed study where I'm going to need multiple panels open, and organising my library. 

I could probably do more sermon prep on the  iPad now that the Passage Guide works pretty well on it, but until I'm able to edit sermons in Sermon Builder I can't see that happening. As Mike says, there's a lot of mileage in the iPad route. 

I used a Surface Pro for several years, hoping to replace the iPad and my laptop with one device, but never found the tablet experience on the Surface Pro anywhere near as smooth as on the iPad, and went back to an HP Elitebook laptop on my latest cycle. That might just be the way I work, but I could never make the Surface Pro work well as a tablet with Logos for reading , although it was fine as a laptop (and I used it with multiple monitors for study).  

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 4:31 AM

What should we look for in an ipad. I have an older ipad but I can't read some books on it because of the newer technology. I also have a fairly large library. I don't want to spend more money on it than I need to so don't want to buy more memory then I need.  Thanks.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 5:54 AM

Personally, I use my android phone for reading, especially when I'm out and about. I need a phone.... almost a have to have device for me.... and I figure if it works don't fix it.

I generally bounce between 2 screens in Logos on my phone as I'm constantly looking something up. And the android phone works for me. I do a lot of reading on my phone... And I don't have to carry around other tablets, etc.  to use it. Geeked

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 6:00 AM

Michael Kinch:
I don't want to spend more money on it than I need to so don't want to buy more memory then I need. 

The mobile apps aren’t really meant to download ones entire library. If doing so is a primary necessity, a mobile device isn’t your best option. For the purposes of Logos, you can get the cheapest iPad they sell... there is no logos advantage for doing otherwise. 

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 6:26 AM

JT (alabama24):

The mobile apps aren’t really meant to download ones entire library. If doing so is a primary necessity, a mobile device isn’t your best option. For the purposes of Logos, you can get the cheapest iPad they sell... there is no logos advantage for doing otherwise. 

Awesome, thanks JT

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Greg Rose | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 8:07 AM

If I were to get an IPAD or a Microsoft Surface Go would I install the full Verbum software app on it like on a desktop or laptop - or would I install the Verbum Mobile App on it? Can either app be installed on the IPAD or Surface Go? If so would one be better than the other the IPAD or Surface Go?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 8:14 AM

The iPad installs the mobile app only. I don’t know anything about the other device you mentioned. At one point, msft made products incapable of installing full windows apps. I don’t know if that’s the case with the “go.”

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 8:21 AM

Greg Rose:
would one be better than the other the IPAD or Surface Go?

As I mentioned before, I have no experience with the msft device. If it does run the full version of the app, you should know beforehand that the app isn’t optimized for touch screens. I have heard some say it works well, others with the contrarian view. You should also consider how much it weighs, how it feels, etc. 

I love my iPad, my MacBook, and my Kindle Paperwhite (an eInk reader). Each has its purpose. For extended reading, nothing beats the paperwhite. For reading, highlighting and taking simple notes, nothing beats the iPad. For study and extensive writing, nothing beats the MacBook. Each has its place. 

The iPad is a great device and is multifunctional. I read the newspaper, use logos, and watch tv on mine. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 8:54 AM

Michael Kinch:
I can't read some books on it because of the newer technology.

Greetings Michael

I am intrigued by this! Are these 'Logos' books or things you read in another app?

If they are 'Logos' please will you give me a couple of examples?

Michael Kinch:
I need to so don't want to buy more memory then I need. 

As I am content to leave most of my stuff backed up to iCloud I am content with the 64GB options.

Unless you think that after the Apocolypse (see below), you will still be concerned about your Logos content I would council against planning to download my whole library to an iPad. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:09 AM

Mike Binks:
If they are 'Logos' please will you give me a couple of examples?

I don’t know if this is what he meant or not, but sometimes new resources require an updated version of the app. If his device is old enough not to be supported, then new resources might be unavailable. 

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:24 AM

Mike Binks:

Greetings Michael

I am intrigued by this! Are these 'Logos' books or things you read in another app?

If they are 'Logos' please will you give me a couple of examples?

Thanks Mike.  One of them is NT Wrights The New Testament World

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:25 AM

JT (alabama24):

I don’t know if this is what he meant or not, but sometimes new resources require an updated version of the app. If his device is old enough not to be supported, then new resources might be unavailable. 

Thanks JT. I think you have it right. They open on my ipad in a blank page.  I can read them on my iphone or desktop.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:39 AM

What version of iPad OS are you running? Can it be updated? What version of the app? Just want to make sure we aren’t making assumptions. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:51 AM

JT (alabama24):
sometimes new resources require an updated version of the app

Thanks JT - I have learned something today.

Do you happen to know also, if the same device attempted to open that resource in www.app.logos.com  would it be readable?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:55 AM

Mike Binks:
Do you happen to know also, if the same device attempted to open that resource in www.app.logos.com  would it be readable?

Yes it would - because then they would be using the software on the server not the app on their device.

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 9:57 AM

JT (alabama24):

What version of iPad OS are you running? Can it be updated? What version of the app? Just want to make sure we aren’t making assumptions. 

Version 10.3.3 (14G60)

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2020 10:03 AM

Graham Criddle:

Mike Binks:
Do you happen to know also, if the same device attempted to open that resource in www.app.logos.com  would it be readable?

Yes it would - because then they would be using the software on the server not the app on their device.

On my ipad I cannot open the web app.

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