Verbum Tip 5i: Bible Search -- using Basic search instead

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Feb 2 2021 12:06 AM

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Bible Search – using Basic Search instead

Span: verse or chapter

As one gets comfortable with the Verbum search, one begins to float between Bible and Basic search depending upon the specific conditions. One reason is that a Bible search looks at a single verse at a time to evaluated the search argument. The Basic search looks at an article/chapter at a time.

  • Zillah and Adah are adjacent in the scripture but a verse break comes between them.
  • “Zillah BEFORE Adah” in a Bible search has no results because it is looking only within a verse.
  • “Zillah BEFORE Adah” in a Basic search has results because it is looking within a chapter.

Text arguments or datatypes?

Why did I use text rather than datatypes for Adah and Zillah? Because “two wives” includes both Adah and Zillah, changing my results dramatically. Use the one that meets your needs – I was concerned with the order of names not the order of reference to persons.

Which fields belong with a Bible search vs. a Basic search?

I am unable to explain all the apparent anomalies but I believe this to be more accurate than my previous description:

  • All search fields shown in a resource’s panel information: Search fields should appear in a drop down search field menu for the search types to which the fields apply.
  • Only search fields applicable to the search type should show in the drop down menus.
  • There are some discrepancies in the implementation
  • If a field search yields no results in a Bible search (or cannot be selected in a Bible search), try a Basic search.

It appears that it is only because I own the NJB with readers’ notes the cross-references appears in the Bible search as well as the Basic search for me. By running them parallel, you can see that switching between Bible/Basic searches does not change the results.

Logos 9.2 modification to Bible search

From Logos 9.2 release notes

Search

  • Added the ability to search for cross-reference footnotes when searching for a Bible reference in a Bible.

In general, one can define the Bible search as limited to the search field Bible text; because it is the default, it is not an option in the search fields – it is assumed. With this modification, when I run a default Bible search against a reference, I get cross-reference links to the reference. When I run a default Basic search against a reference, I get all notes, cross-references, etc. that contain the reference.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2021 12:43 PM

MJ. Smith:
It appears that it is only because I own the JPS with readers’ notes the cross-references appears in the Bible search as well as the Basic search for me. By running them parallel, you can see that switching between Bible/Basic searches does not change the results.

The context for this is the previous Verbum tip and the Search itself, which shows the NJB, published by Doubleday..  But now you state JPS, who is the publisher of The Tanakh (Tanakh 1985 has Cross References whereas Tanakh 1917 does not), and Tanakh 1985 does not have a result for <Ps 4:8>!. I don't think this comment should be here.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2021 3:11 PM

Thanks for catching the typo. It is now fixed.

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