Besides Bibles I Love a Good Dictionary

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2021 3:20 PM

This dictionary influenced the mighty OED. The Century Dictionary has been stuck in the mud for almost a decade. For the life of me I can't understand why. Please, let's get this incredible resource into publication. Bid!

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Schamma | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2021 4:08 PM

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 2:25 AM

Beloved Amodeo:
For the life of me I can't understand why.

If this a resource that is regularly updated or is it stuck in 1913?

If the latter, it may provide a reason why it languishes.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 12:25 PM

Mike Binks:

Beloved Amodeo:
For the life of me I can't understand why.

If this a resource that is regularly updated or is it stuck in 1913?

If the latter, it may provide a reason why it languishes.

Webster's 1828 dictionary still finds itself useful. A scholarly work from 1913 should get some attention especially given that it is some 12 vol. and has been broadly influential, not to mention it is only $30. Nevertheless, Binks I accept your reasoning.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 2:14 PM

Ironically it’s over a Century old and the title is The Century Dictionary 😁

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 2:54 PM

I have been in since 2015.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 3:04 PM

DAL:

Ironically it’s over a Century old and the title is The Century Dictionary 😁

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2021 3:08 PM

scooter:

I have been in since 2015.

How bout 2/2013! There goes DAL's century againBig Smile

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 1:11 AM

Beloved Amodeo:
Webster's 1828 dictionary still finds itself useful.

I think you might need to define 'useful' in this context?

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Joseph Sollenberger | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 4:23 AM

When reading early 20th century and earlier works, these dictionaries are useful because they provide definitions relevant  to usage at the time the material of study was published. Since semantic domain shifts over time, it is essential to have an understanding of how words were used at the time a writing was produced. The Webster tool mentioned is also useful because it specifically deals with KJV usage and examples and is one of the few sources (outside OED) that give archaic usage (think Tyndale and Wycliffe vocabulary).

Now if the full Oxford English Dictionary were available in Logos ...

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 6:12 AM

Beloved Amodeo:

scooter:

I have been in since 2015.

How bout 2/2013! There goes DAL's century againBig Smile

Beloved Amodeo: Excellent you saw it early.  Its feast still awaits other entrants.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 6:26 AM

Joseph Sollenberger:
Now if the full Oxford English Dictionary were available in Logos ...

I'd have to think about that for a while.  I live in Canada, where the English is hermaphroditic.There are both English and American influences.

As well, I always thought ''cheque'' was French: I will write you a cheque for money owed.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Americans write a ''check.''  What do the British do?

I had a 3 hour discussion with my brother back in 1985 re the full Oxford.  He, being an Anglophile, thought it should have the last word.  I said that was impossible, as words change through time.  Thus, words have the last word, till change occurs to pave anew.

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 6:51 AM

scooter:

I have been in since 2015.

Latecomer! I bid in 2010 Big Smile

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 9:17 AM

Mike Binks:

Beloved Amodeo:
Webster's 1828 dictionary still finds itself useful.

I think you might need to define 'useful' in this context?

Ư´SEFṲL, a. Producing or having power to produce good; beneficial; profitable; helpful towards advancing any purpose; as vessels and instruments useful in a family; books useful for improvement; useful knowledge; useful arts.

 Webster, N. (2006). Noah Webster’s first edition of An American dictionary of the English language. Anaheim, CA: Foundation for American Christian Education.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 12:46 PM

Joseph Sollenberger:

The Webster tool mentioned is also useful because it specifically deals with KJV usage and examples and is one of the few sources (outside OED) that give archaic usage (think Tyndale and Wycliffe vocabulary).

Now if the full Oxford English Dictionary were available in Logos ...

At least it looks as if it will be cheaper than the OED. Though I doubt that the niceties of Tyndalian or Wycliffian language will be of much interest other than to those studying Tyndale's or Wycliffe's mistranslations.  :-)

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Joseph Sollenberger | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 21 2021 2:41 PM

Mike, I agree that there is not a great demand for new printings of the earliest English translations. ;) 

As much as I enjoy theology, I also enjoy philology. The story of language usage and histories of our words in use today is fascinating. I find spending time in the past pays great dividends in understanding the present. As Paul Harvey was fond of saying, "And now you know the rest of the story!"

For those wondering about updating the OED, it is a never finished product because the language always changes. However, printed versions do provide information up to the time of publication. The second edition was published in 1989 with Additions Series volumes published in the 1990's. Work on the third edition is ongoing. Many libraries now use a subscription service to access the product. If you have access to such a library, the OED is a fun way to spend an afternoon checking out those archaic words used in those very old English translations.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 1:17 AM

The subscription cost for the OED is prohibitative.

Now if Faithlife were to negotiate a library subscription that we could sign up for within the program then I would be reaching for my wallet.

A current dictionary with good historical notes would be 'useful'. 

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 2:57 AM

scooter:

I always thought ''cheque'' was French: I will write you a cheque for money owed.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Americans write a ''check.''  What do the British do?

It's "cheque" in British English spelling.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 3:46 AM

Gordon Jones:

scooter:

I always thought ''cheque'' was French: I will write you a cheque for money owed.  Perhaps I am wrong.  Americans write a ''check.''  What do the British do?

It's "cheque" in British English spelling.

Well, now I know.  Very interesting.  Thank you, Gordon.  -que is a French ending.  I will research its history.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 8:42 AM

Mike Binks:

The subscription cost for the OED is prohibitative.

Now if Faithlife were to negotiate a library subscription that we could sign up for within the program then I would be reaching for my wallet.

A current dictionary with good historical notes would be 'useful'. 

We're not far from each other in what we deem "useful". Check out this post https://community.logos.com/forums/p/190604/1099437.aspx.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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