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Stephen Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2021 8:32 PM

I just purchased NICNT second edition for Romans. I already had the first edition of Romans for that commentary set. In my layouts I have the NICNT included in the link set for my study and when I am in a book of the bible in which I own the corresponding NICNT volume it links to it appropriately. However, I notice now that if I jump to somewhere in Romans it is opening the first edition instead of the second edition of Romans for that commentary set. 

Is there any way to get it to use the latest edition? I hope that made sense.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 11 2021 10:53 PM

Stephen Smith:
I notice now that if I jump to somewhere in Romans it is opening the first edition instead of the second edition of Romans for that commentary set. 

You could change the series of "superseded" volume from 'New International Commentary on the Old and New Testament' to something else, such as 'NICONT - old'

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 9:32 AM

I use series: 1st and 2nd respectively, and also change the short title accordingly.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 10:58 AM

Stephen Smith:
Is there any way to get it to use the latest edition? I hope that made sense.

One idea is prioritization so when see first edition of Romans, can use an arrow key to change parallel resource to second edition (or select from parallel resource menu), followed by saving layout (so next time layout is opened, second edition of Romans is opened & linked)

Beloved Amodeo:

I use series: 1st and 2nd respectively, and also change the short title accordingly.

NICNT series has three editions of Romans so my preference is customizing Titles (includes Content Year prefix)

94B4 Library NICNT Romans

Thread => Creating a New Series of Commentaries includes my Title conventions

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 12:29 PM

I understand Stephens's use case to be that he has any NICONT commentary open and then wants to switch to Romans and open the Romans edition in the commentary series. This works in Logos - by looking into the series field. The problem is if a series has more than one commentaries for a biblical book and the user, such as Stephen, wants a specific of e.g. the three existing ones.

The real (and simple) solution is to take out the ambiguity for Logos and have the desired work go with the same series name as the other ones, and change the series field for the undesired versions (thus changing both to be more precise won't cut it, and a layout won't work either, unless you open the specific Romans resource, which will be unnecessary if Stephen studies e.g. James).

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 12:51 PM

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NICNT series has three editions of Romans
For Murray's I use Classic. KS4J your approach is exacting and extends to your approach with Bibles. I'm not saying you're wrong, but as a layman I prefer less precision. There are other books in the NICNT series with "classic" editions.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 1:03 PM

NB.Mick:
The real (and simple) solution is to take out the ambiguity for Logos and have the desired work go with the same series name as the other ones, and change the series field for the undesired versions (thus changing both to be more precise won't cut it, and a layout won't work either, unless you open the specific Romans resource, which will be unnecessary if Stephen studies e.g. James).
I want to be sure where you're coming from here, would you kindly set up this example and define the problem? I want to be sure that I have a workable practice in this case. James is an example of a series with a "classic" edition.

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Stephen Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 1:19 PM

Sounds basically correct. Below is my layout I use:

Everything is using link set A. If I then go somewhere in Romans, everything opens appropriate books (commentary sets, etc) to the place in Romans I enter. However, it opens Romans first edition (of NICNT) instead of my recently acquired 2nd edition of Romans that is now available for NICNT.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 1:33 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
NB.Mick:
The real (and simple) solution is to take out the ambiguity for Logos and have the desired work go with the same series name as the other ones, and change the series field for the undesired versions (...)

I want to be sure where you're coming from here, would you kindly set up this example and define the problem?

The problem is that when entering a new bible verse location into the locator bar of a commentary, Logos looks whether this bible verse is dealt with in the current book, if not, it looks up for a book in the same series that treats this verse. If there are multiple such books, it might open the one first indexed, possibly the older one, or any of the two/three. The solution is to have only the newest edition in the series   

I set it up for my NICONT series and put "old edition" in front of the series names where I have more than one commentary for a book (I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)

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For Logos, I now have two different series, NICONT and "old version - NICONT". The NICONT series only has the newest editions of those books I own.

EDIT: the link set will be carried along to new resources opened from the series, so the commentary will follow when the location of the bible in the link set is changed, and the newly opened resource will be in the the link set. The former commentary resource will automatically close. 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 2:04 PM

Couple of questions.

NB.Mick:
(I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)
Where did you find these numbers that Logos uses?

NB.Mick:
For Logos, I now have two different series, NICONT and "old version - NICONT". The NICONT series only has the newest editions of those books I own.
Is it critical to only have two named elements composing this series? I have three: Classic, 1st, 2nd.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 2:21 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
NB.Mick:
(I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)
Where did you find these numbers that Logos uses?

I used them many years ago for collections (I think those are still in the wiki somewhere and maybe were built first by Mark Barnes), but the idea is easy. Gen = #01, Ex = #02 through Maleachi = #39. Mt = #61, Mk = #62 ... making Rev = #87. Deuterocanonical books fill #40 through #59 like this:

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Beloved Amodeo:
Is it critical to only have two named elements composing this series? I have three: Classic, 1st, 2nd.

It is not critical, but different: I understand the use case to intend the most current edition to open, but to have as full coverage as possible. If 2nd is a series name for you, you can jump only from new edition to new edition, but will miss out all the many many books that only have a "first" edition - and within the 1st edition you can never automatically open a 2nd edition because it's in a different series. If the info about which wave of editions is relevant for you, in my opinion it is better kept in tags or title changes - the series name needs to be the same for all most current editions to work (and it might be worthwhile to keep the FL-provided standard there)   

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 2:33 PM

Thanks Mick!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 3:27 PM

NB.Mick:

Beloved Amodeo:
NB.Mick:
(I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)
Where did you find these numbers that Logos uses?

I used them many years ago for collections (I think those are still in the wiki somewhere ...

Logos Wiki => Canonical Commentary Collections

Note: Minor Prophets may include up to 12 Bible Books in one Bible Commentary resource.

Beloved Amodeo:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
NICNT series has three editions of Romans
For Murray's I use Classic. KS4J your approach is exacting and extends to your approach with Bibles. I'm not saying you're wrong, but as a layman I prefer less precision. There are other books in the NICNT series with "classic" editions.

My past experience has had many opportunities for old, prior, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... so learned naming using date allows for more than one old version.

When changing Bible location in a series, which has more than one resource with desired Bible location, the first one shown is alphabetical by title. For my "Top 2 Commentary" Series with more than one commentary for most Bible verses, my oldest Top 2 Commentary appears first. Can use right key for quick navigation to newer parallel resource (tend to read/skim oldest one first for Jewish insights - content year written reminds me of newer items not known by John Gill: e.g. Dead Sea Scrolls, Israel becoming a nation, ...).

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 3:33 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

NB.Mick:

Beloved Amodeo:
NB.Mick:
(I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)
Where did you find these numbers that Logos uses?

I used them many years ago for collections (I think those are still in the wiki somewhere ...

Logos Wiki => Canonical Commentary Collections

Thanks! 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 4:15 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

NB.Mick:

Beloved Amodeo:
NB.Mick:
(I use numeric mytags to be able to sort/filter commentaries by bible book, the numbers resembling those Logos uses internally for the resourcenames)
Where did you find these numbers that Logos uses?

I used them many years ago for collections (I think those are still in the wiki somewhere ...

Logos Wiki => Canonical Commentary Collections

Note: Minor Prophets may include up to 12 Bible Books in one Bible Commentary resource.

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Thanks KS4J!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 5:10 PM

NB.Mick:

Deuterocanonical books fill #40 through #59 like this:

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For clarificatory purposes, some of those books are not part of the Deuterocanon. (And a couple of them aren't normally considered books, either, but rather either part of Daniel or additions to Daniel.)

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 5:49 PM

SineNomine:
For clarificatory purposes, some of those books are not part of the Deuterocanon. (And a couple of them aren't normally considered books, either, but rather either part of Daniel or additions to Daniel.)
Would you care to either direct us to a source or list the books and parts of books you're referencing?

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 6:50 PM

Beloved Amodeo:

SineNomine:
For clarificatory purposes, some of those books are not part of the Deuterocanon. (And a couple of them aren't normally considered books, either, but rather either part of Daniel or additions to Daniel.)
Would you care to either direct us to a source or list the books and parts of books you're referencing?

Sure!

DEUTEROCANONICAL Those books (and parts of books) of the Old Testament whose inclusion in the Catholic canon was disputed at one time: Judith, Tobit, Sirach, Wisdom, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and Baruch; also Dan 3:24–90 and chapters 13 and 14 and Esth 10:4–16 and chapter 24. The term “deuterocanonical” (from the Greek for “second canon”) was first used by the Dominican Sixtus of Siena (d. 1569). Books regarded as canonical with little or no debate were called “protocanonical” (from the Greek for “first canon”). [...]

The portions of Daniel mentioned are 47-49 in the list and 46 is part of Baruch.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 6:55 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
Would you care to either direct us to a source or list the books and parts of books you're referencing?

Although Faithlife allowed an uninformed Orthodox employee to modify the data to be inaccurate and less complete, the canon comparison tool covers this.

  • additions to Esther are precisely that - the LXX Esther is longer than the MT Esther.
  • Azariah, Susanna, and Bel are additions to Daniel for the same manuscript tradition reasons.
  • Letter of Jeremiah is usually the final chapter of Baruch
  • Prayer of Manasseh is usually the final chapter of 2 Chronicles in Eastern Christianity but not Western
  • 1 Esdras is generally canonical in Eastern Christianity but not Western
  • 2 Esdras & Ps 151 most notably are in the Slavonic canon
  • 3 & 4 Maccabees and Psalms of Solomon appear only in less common or historical canons

Regarding the Prayer of Manasseh:

Wikipedia:
The prayer is included in some editions of the Greek Septuagint. For example, the 5th century Codex Alexandrinus includes the prayer among fourteen Odes appearing just after the Psalms.[3] It is accepted as a deuterocanonical book by Orthodox Christians. The prayer is chanted during the Orthodox Christian and Byzantine Catholic service of Great Compline. It is used in the Roman Rite as part of the Responsory after the first reading in the Office of Readings on the 14th Sunday in Ordinary Time (along with Psalm 51). In the Extraordinary Form, in the Roman Rite Breviary; in the corpus of responsories sung with the readings from the books of Kings between Trinity Sunday and August, the seventh cites the Prayer of Manasseh, together with verses of Psalm 50, the penitential Psalm par excellence.[4] It is used also as a canticle in the Daily Office of the 1979 U.S. Book of Common Prayer used by the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, and as Canticle 52 in Common Worship: Daily Prayer of the Church of England.

I strongly encourage you to read Müller, Mogens. The First Bible of the Church: A Plea for the Septuagint. Vol. 206. Journal for the Study of the Old Testament Supplement Series. Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1996. (The First Bible of the Church: A Plea for the Septuagint | Logos Bible Software)

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2021 7:09 PM

Thank you MJ!

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