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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 17 2021 1:26 PM

I am leading Bible Study on the book of Mark and discovered last week that one of our participants is using Scofield as a resource. Though I am not fond of Scofield, I do like to know what others may be reading and/or contributing to the discussion. I have the Scofield Reference Bible in my Library, so I opened it up. I discovered it only has three chapters of Mark included (chapters 8, 10, and 16). What happened to the rest of Mark?

 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 1:36 PM

Floyd Johnson:
I discovered it only has three chapters of Mark included (chapters 8, 10, and 16).
Oh, this is a problem.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 1:47 PM

Floyd Johnson:
I discovered it only has three chapters of Mark included (chapters 8, 10, and 16). What happened to the rest of Mark?

It seems that the Scofield bible only has very scarce notes in Mark - the Logos edition seems to have nearly all of them save some cross-references (I double checked against Biblehub).

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 1:51 PM

NB.Mick:

Floyd Johnson:
I discovered it only has three chapters of Mark included (chapters 8, 10, and 16). What happened to the rest of Mark?

It seems that the Scofield bible only has very scarce notes in Mark - the Logos edition seems to have nearly all of them save some cross-references (I double checked against Biblehub).

I checked my e-sword edition and Biblehub and there are notes in at least chapters 1-4. They are scarce but they're there. They should be in the Logos edition.

EDIT: I see what you mean. There are marginal notes and cross-references but no study notes. 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 2:14 PM

NB.Mick:
It seems that the Scofield bible only has very scarce notes in Mark - the Logos edition seems to have nearly all of them save some cross-references (I double checked against Biblehub).

Here are screen shots for Mark 8 - even it has more than LOGOS: maps, cross references, table, and additional footnotes.  For this chapter, LOGOS only has

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 2:25 PM

NB.Mick:

Floyd Johnson:
I discovered it only has three chapters of Mark included (chapters 8, 10, and 16). What happened to the rest of Mark?

It seems that the Scofield bible only has very scarce notes in Mark - the Logos edition seems to have nearly all of them save some cross-references (I double checked against Biblehub).

"the Logos edition seems to have nearly all of them save some cross-references" - why does faithlife get to pick and choose what footnotes, cross-references, maps, etc., to include and exclude. When I purchase the book, I expect it to be complete so I can use it as a reference tool. 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2021 7:49 PM

Found this review from 2015 review:

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12/28/2015

This is a particularly lousy edition for Logos. They ought to be ashamed. First, this is only the 1909 Edition. Virtually all Evangelicals who use the Scofield use the 1967 revision, which is much improved. Second, this is NOT the "Scofield Reference Bible," but merely a reprint of the skimpy NOTES from the 1909 Edition! It does not even contain Scofield's cross references! Third, the Logos blurb on this edition constitutes false advertising. The Logos page on this says, "In the Logos edition of this important body of work, you can search for verses, find Scripture references and citations instantly, and perform word studies. Along with your English translations, all Scripture passages link to Greek and Hebrew texts. What’s more, hovering over a Scripture reference will instantly display your verse! The advanced tools in your digital library free you to dig deeper into the work of one of the most prominent dispensationalist premillennialists." In point of fact, no, you CANNOT "search for verses, find Scripture references and citations instantly, and perform word studies," because IT INCLUDES NO SCRIPTURE. "hovering over a Scripture reference will" NOT "instantly display your verse," because it HAS NO SCRIPTURE REFERENCES other than a few included in the notes. LOGOS HAS NO BUSINESS ADVERTISING THIS AS T"THE SCOFIELD REFERENCE B IBLE." It is not a Bile, and all the references are left out! This should be labeled honestly, as "The Notes to the 1909 Scofield Edition." Years ago when I was a new Christian I used the 1967 Edition and found it helpful; but as I began to see through the errors of dispensational pre-trib-rapturism and other matters, I turned to other Bibles. But if a person wants a 1967 Scofield BIBLE, and not merely the 1909 NOTES, they will be extremely disappointed in this production. Save your money. I hesitate to weigh in on this, as some Christians effectively act as though the Scofield notes are God-breathed almost like the Scripture itself; there are even a handful of believers around (dying off rapidly) who actually prefer the 1909 to the 1967, but even these folk would want and deserve the 1909 Scofield Reference BIBLE with it's Scripture reference system, not just the separate NOTE It explains the issues expressed here.  I am sorry that LOGOS has not taken the time to update this book.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 5:02 AM

Floyd, I think we are talking two different things here. 

You said you want to read what your church member is probably reading in preparation for bible study, especially the Scofield notes, and you saw that there are only a small number of study notes for a few chapters of Mark, which might indicate that the Logos edition of the Scofield bible is missing study notes - this I checked, and found my resource looks like yours, and it has the study notes found on the web, too, so it seems that is not really the case. Mark has only very few study notes when compared to other bible books, and those few seem to be contained in the Logos resource. 

Something different: Is the Logos resource a good study bible, in that it has all the stuff contained in the paper version of that study bible. This of course will include not only study notes, but also reference notes, biblical cross-reference and additional material such as maps, introductions and sometimes thematic essays, thematic chain-link-references, a glossary, maybe even a concordance. The bible text itself is normally not included n Logos resources (something your reviewer seems unaware of). For comparison, I also looked into the German language paper edition of the Scofield bible I own, and it seems to have no lengthy thematic essays and such - probably Scofield predates that stuff. It has some "thematic footnotes" which we find as study notes in the Logos resource, including the index for these. The introductions are there, too, as are colored maps with a full index (such index not being present in my paper version). I'd guess that in so far the Logos resource faithfully resembles the printed 1917 edition, unclear about the reference notes ("see note at .....") though. 

What is lacking are two things: the plethora of biblical cross-references, and the thematic chain-link-references. This is really a shame - we probably can compensate for the biblical cross-references when using a highly cross-referenced bible, or a cross-reference source like TSK/NTSK. But those are not the same as Scofield's, actually I was expecting a cross-reference resource in my Scofield collection and was sad and a bit surprised when I found it missing. The lack of thematic chain-link-references is even worse, since it is elementary editorial content of the Scofield reference bible.  

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 5:21 AM

I bought this several years ago for purely historical reasons and found it to be disappointing. I attributed that to being spoiled by the extensive nature of modern study notes. I don't have a paper edition for comparison. (I'm not sure which of the kids ended up with my departed father's Scofield; I got his large print KJV.)

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 5:26 AM

NB.Mick:

Floyd, I think we are talking two different things here..  

Yes, part of the problem is that LOGOS is using the 1917 version, rather than the 1967(?) version  I have as a PDF. I found this after seeing tbe problem  with the missing cross references earlier in the day.  The PDF solves my immediate problem, but it still leaves LOGOS with an inferior version of the Scofield Bible.

NOTE: Chain References are usually associated with the Thompson  Chain Reference Bible rather than Scofield. Thompson is in process as it is coming over from word search.

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Floyd

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 10:49 PM

The logos edition sounds like every other software version that is available. I own several Bible software programs and I have 1917 Scofield notes in most of them, but not Logos.

This issue is not even unique to Scofield. Many, maybe the majority, of my study bibles do not include the scripture references or dates.

The Kindle Version of Scofield is almost like a pdf and shows the complete page with dates and scripture references, but I do not know of any software that includes those center notes.

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 10:56 PM

I don't have Bullinger's Companion Bible in Logos to check for myself, but I assume the outlines are missing in Logos, like all the other software versions I have. I had to buy the expensive but cheaply photocopied hardcopy version for access to the outlines.

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 11:03 PM

Tecarta is the only software that I assume will give me a complete Bible.

Next up, Olive Tree might. Olive tree is really bad about the endmatter being inaccessible, but the main commentary notes of multiple study bibles can be searched at the same time. Also Olive Tree can be searched offline, unlike logos.

I own some books 2-4 times, just so I can access all the parts of the same study Bible. It is so frustrating!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2021 11:27 PM

Kathleen Marie:
but I assume the outlines are missing in Logos

Outlines are present and tagged to appear in the Bible Outline tool/guide section/label search

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 19 2021 6:30 AM

Thank you SO much for letting me know about that! I just assumed they were missing in Logos, too.

My eyesight has deteriorated to the point of officially being declared "print disabled" and I rely heavily on digital resources for books that I cannot see in print. I really like the Bullinger outlines. I am off to check the price of the Logos Companion Bible!

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 19 2021 7:04 AM

MJ. Smith:

Kathleen Marie:
but I assume the outlines are missing in Logos

Outlines are present and tagged to appear in the Bible Outline tool/guide section/label search

Thank you so much!! When I went to price the Companion Bible. I noticed that it is part of the Messianic starter 8 legacy package that gave me the NLT Bible and the Companion BIble for $11.00! AND some Jewish Holiday and family worship books that look useful for Sunday school planning for any denomination.

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Tobias Gerbothe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 19 2021 7:05 AM

There is a german pre-pub, https://de.logos.com/product/194748/scofield-studienbibel
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ut it also seems to be the notes only

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 20 2021 10:01 AM

Yikes! I hope they fix this

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 20 2021 2:20 PM

read Scofield Reference Bible - Wikipedia for a defense of using the 1917 version.

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 21 2021 7:59 PM

MJ. Smith:

read Scofield Reference Bible - Wikipedia for a defense of using the 1917 version.

I have assumed that more 1917 editions are sold than the newer version. Am I wrong about that?

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