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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 14 2021 4:49 AM

Please help. I can't decide on which hardware to buy to make use of Logos as a sometimes preacher and ongoing Bible student and recent Seminary graduate.

What are the pros and cons of each hardware and Operating system? I am upgrading from an old Surface Pro 3. Apple os would be brand new to me. Someone said an IPad Air 4 with floating magic keyboard might be easier to use. 

Suggestions? Advice?

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Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 5:20 AM

Yo! I have no opinions as regards iPads since I don't own one. I have, however been a Surface Pro user for years (Surface Pro 2 followed by Surface Pro 7 last year). My reasons for loving those awesome tools is because:

1. For all our criticism of Microsoft and Windows (and I'm good at it too!), by gum, when they do hardware-related stuff, they do it RIGHT (I once had a Microsoft mouse, very expensive to buy, for about 10-15 years before it died!)

2. The fact is that a Surface Pro is a Full-Powered-Computer-In-A-Smaller-Tablet format... I have EVERYHING on it, in full versions, and it can go with me anywhere. My husband, who's been using my old Surace Pro 2. was "complaining" about the "only one" USB port. My response, with some asperity, "that's why someone invented USB Hubs, dear. Why? How many USB ports do you have on YOUR iPad?!"

So there ya go... why I'll be a Surface Pro fan till I die... Big Smile

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 6:17 AM

Thanks Carmen God bless you and your hubby. Any ipad air 4 fans weighing in too?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 6:40 AM

JoshInRI:
I can't decide

It has been a decade and you still don't know! Stick out tongue

JoshInRI:
Suggestions? Advice?

The devices are very different. 

  • If I could only have one device, it would be a macBook of some variety. 
  • If I could only have two devices, it would be a macBook and an iPhone.
  • If I could only have three devices, it would be a macBook, iPhone, iPad. 

The iPad is a fantastic device. I use mine daily. However, it can't help me navigate my way around a new city. When it comes to researching and writing, a keyboard and good pointing device is a must.

There are people who love their surface devices. That <may> be the best thing for you. It is not the best tablet. It is not the best computer. But if you have a genuine need for both, that might do it. 

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 3:27 PM

Thanks Jt. Yes still searching. I made do with the sp3 for years. How is the ipaid air pen for something i hope is simple like highlighting? 

Anyone rely exclusively on ipaid air 4 with keyboard?

Anyone preach in front of people holding just the air or from a desk using the presenter software I confess I have never touched?

Ever seen a pastor holding up his surface pro 7 for preaching or teaching?

Am I dreaming? 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 4:59 PM

JoshInRI:
Ever seen a pastor holding up his surface pro 7 for preaching or teaching?

I have had both my SP1 and SP4 in the pulpit and to do weddings/funerals without a lectern.

I have also used an iPad for preaching and currently use an SP7 to study and write my sermon, then use my Kindle Fire Tablet in the pulpit to run the Proclaim Remote. (I also have a print Bible and printed notes in a binder) I am comfortable with redundancy for the times that either lights go out and I can't read my paper resources or technology glitches and I can't access my electronic resources.

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 5:15 PM

Wow what a great reply. Very encouraging. When the lights go out I hope God will respond to COME LORD JESUS let me shine for you and through me for your glory alone..

Blessings Mr. Thomas 

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Jack M. Tenney | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 6:28 PM

Hi

Just to reply to above statements. Using a tablet whether an Apple tablet or windows device they work. I use a surface book 2 and its great. O and you do not have to buy the high priced units to do this. Mine is a 256gig ssd and its fine. I purchased a Base Qi adapter and put in a micro sd card and it is flush with the side of laptop - tablet. That bumped it an additional 128 gigs. O and two batteries in the unit. So Yes you can do it but when I preach i have a printed Bible and Paper sermon. With computers things do Happen.

Jack

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2021 10:45 PM

JoshInRI:
Anyone preach in front of people holding just the air or from a desk using the presenter software I confess I have never touched?

I regularly preach using an iPad (not the Air) and it works fine.

I also use the iPad to control Proclaim - which I assume is the presentation software you are referring to

Although the iPad does not support the full range of Logos features available on the desktop I have found it ideal for preaching from / controlling Proclaim.

With Proclaim I get the ability to move slides on and also to see the notes I have created in the Sermon Builder.

With the Logos app, I can also see my notes and move the slides on - and with one of the recent updates to the app I can now edit my sermon on the iPad as well.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2021 3:38 PM

"Although the iPad does not support the full range of Logos features available on the desktop..." you wrote. 

I am still so muddled.  Can I only get a full range featured copy of Logos on a Surface Pro Windows machine or does the Logos app on Mac or in Safari still work similarly as I use it on my Windows Surface Pro 3? (the one I kept for 10 years and may wind up just keeping as this is all so confusing).

I want to upgrade to run primarily the Microsoft Office apps and Outlook, and a full working version of Logos 9.x Silver. I hope to preach from the detachable portion too and maybe one day use proclaim with it....but thats long range.  I know I will use the make a slide functionality for sure and I want to read books and be able to mark sections with an electronic pen easily (feel free to chuckle here).  Is this possible?

I just wondered if Surface Pro 7 is best or maybe I should try Ipad Air 4 or some other detachable tablet I can add a keyboard to?

I might keep the SP3 and add some mac tablet device (not sure of the lingo).  Ipad pro better?  Not sure that has grippable form factor.  I think I might try for 8 gig of ram and at least 128 to accommodate all my library etc.

Thanks for everyone to trying to help me out.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2021 11:11 PM

JoshInRI:
Can I only get a full range featured copy of Logos on a Surface Pro Windows machine or does the Logos app on Mac or in Safari still work similarly

There are effectively three ways to run Logos:

  1. By installing the full app onto a desktop / laptop - such as a Windows Surface Pro or a MacBook (this gives full functionality with a few minor UI differences
  2. By installing the mobile app onto a smartphone / tablet - this includes the iPad (this provides lesser functionality than on the desktop)
  3. By using the web app in a browser - this is more like the desktop interface but not all of the desktop features are implemented

JoshInRI:
I want to upgrade to run primarily the Microsoft Office apps and Outlook, and a full working version of Logos 9.x Silver.

If that is what you want - and specifically thinking of the full working version of Logos 9.x Silver - then you need to go with option 1 which means something like a Surface Pro or MacBook but not the iPad in any of its forms

JoshInRI:
maybe one day use proclaim with it

Similarly, while we can control a Proclaim presentation from a mobile device, we need the full app (running on a desktop / laptop) to create them

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2021 9:30 AM

Thanks Graham. I may just upgrade my Surface Pro 3 to a 7 for now. 

I am NOT making the switch to MAC OS on a portable detachable device yet as I was told by someone else I needed 

MAC OS BIG SUR

...no detachable portable mac or apple ipad device runs it yet. Stick out tongue

In short, I am back to square one and back to Surface Pro as a possible solution.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2021 9:44 AM

JoshInRI:

I am NOT making the switch to MAC OS on a portable detachable device yet as I was told by someone else I needed 

MAC OS BIG SUR

This is simply the latest version of the Mac OS operating system (the operating system on their laptops and desktops)

JoshInRI:
...no detachable portable mac or apple ipad device runs it yet

Apple do not provide touch screen laptops and the iPad runs a different OS - iPad OS.

So with what you seem to be looking for I agree you need a Windows-based solution.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 2:49 AM

Graham's option 3 might work for some folk.

iPad with the Mobile App for when it is useful

iPad with the WebApp for when more is required

Bluetooth keyboard to carry around, and then find that the on screen keyboard is really convenient, and so you only use it at home for big projects.

Still not the desktop experience (yet).

tootle pip

Mike

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 7:57 AM

JoshInRI:
Thanks Graham. I may just upgrade my Surface Pro 3 to a 7 for now. 

Rumor has it there is a Surface Pro 8 coming in the fall, so you might want to wait a couple of months if you're thinking of upgrading.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 9:26 AM

If you are using an old Surface Pro 3, then you are running the full Logos on it.  If you go to an iPad, you are going to only have the option of running the mobile Logos app on it.  Many of the features of the full Logos will not be available to you.  You will basically have the same mobile app as you would have on a cell phone.  Of course, the web app is an option that will give you more functions than the mobile app, but it is not the same as running the full Logos on your device.  

The iPad is a wonderful device.  It does what it does very well.  But I would not want it for my main study device because it cannot run the full Logos program.  But it is great for reading your Logos library, and anything else. 

If you have been running an old Surface Pro 3, you would see marked improvements on a new Surface Pro.  That is what I would recommend from the information you have given.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 12:46 PM

Thanks. Great advice from everyone. Bless you all. 

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 21 2021 3:40 PM

Dear Joshua

Praise God your wife bought you the Surface Pro 7 today.  Now get going in Bible research, writing sermons, and sharing the Gospel, basically doing what God called you to do over 30 years ago.

Glory to God...Jesus Lead On!

The Holy Spirit

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 23 2021 10:10 PM

Roll your eyes...it's OK. Surface pro 7 is fanless and imho gets too hot. I returned it fir a full refund. I will make do with my surface pro 3. 🤪 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 24 2021 5:59 AM

JoshInRI:
Roll your eyes...it's OK.

Big Smile

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