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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:05 AM

LaRosa Johnson:

Nathan Madison:
if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries

That currently isn't possible right now.

Do you know something we haven't heard yet? It would be an interesting scenario to access Wordsearch/Bible Explorer resources through Logos. There are a few titles (i.e. Complete Biblical Library) that are exclusive to Wordsearch for a number of years.

This also reminds me of Bob Pritchett's survey last year when he polled users about what features they would like to see. One question was "How important is it to you for Logos to be able to use PDF documents?"

I would be tickled pink to use Logos to access EVERYTHING, regardless of it's format and orign. A web-based Logos should be able to do that if licensing agreements are not a problem.  It might be a "win-win" for all companies involved.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:55 AM

Ted Hans:

Beautiful post from you Bohuslav. What can I say? As for you preaching just a gentle reminder when will you get round making your web site more English friendlySmile? Second time I am asking, looking forward to your musingYes.

Ted

Thank you Ted. You are very kind. Well, I wish we would be able to have an English version of our web site sometimes. In the list of "must do" things it is number... (well, sorry, it would not encourage you...) Smile

The main thing on our site that is used very much is sermon download and obviously that is just Czech. There is no way to have that in English, only if we would manage to convince our people to listen to the English sermons. Smile

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 12:07 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
The main thing on our site that is used very much is sermon download and obviously that is just Czech. There is no way to have that in English, only if we would manage to convince our people to listen to the English sermons. Smile

Ha, you've made my day - that was funny. Blessing.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 12:40 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
only if we would manage to convince our people to listen to the English sermons

We have a parish in which the sermon is usually preached twice - once in Mandarin, once in Cantonese.

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 1:15 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Do you know something we haven't heard yet?

Little birdies tell me things... but I doubt any linking between WORDsearch & Logos will happen in the foreseeable future Smile

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 2:26 PM

Great email! Did you know that

Logos rocks!, Accordance, Logos rocks!, Bible Explorer, Logos rocks!, Biblesoft, Logos rocks!, BibleWorks, Logos rocks!, Laridian, Logos rocks!, Olive Tree, Logos rocks!, Quickverse, Logos rocks!, WORDsearch

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Giovanni Baggio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 7:54 AM

Personally,  I agree with your comments.  However, if I were to mention the fact that I use other softwares, that doesn't mean I'm advertising them.  For example, my # 1 Bible software is Logos 4 and I don't have to state the reasons, they are very obvious - Logos is the best in the business.   My # 2 is WordSearch and I only have 3 reasons to use it: 1) They have lots of free books (e.g. from Hodge's commentaries to McGarvey's commentaries, etc.); 2) They have Dr. Rod Mattoon's Treasures from the Scriptures which are awesome and extremely practical for preaching through books of the Bible and 3) WordSearch has the complete John G. Butler's Analytical Bible Expositor, Following God Series, Biography Series and Studies on the Savior Series which are a magnificent help to preach expository sermons.  You put Mattoon's work together with Butler's and you could literally preach for several years using their material alone!!! Superb masterpieces!!! If Logos could manage to get this BRILLIANT resources on Logos 4 format, that would definitely make me a Logos 4 Exclusive user! Big Smile And last but not least, my # 3 Bible software is e-sword because: 1) It's FREE (free is always good), 2) It has 20 Spanish translations and 3) you can create your own modules for free too.

Having said all of that, I still love Logos 4 and one of the things I'm looking forward to is for my personal book builder to be available in Logos 4.  I'm already able to see my sermons from the Sermon file in Logos 4, but having the PBB that will really help me get some of my own work to work with my favorite software.  Anyway, to all those reading this post, if you really want to invest in the most splendid tool for Bible study, make sure to stop by at www.logos.com and choose the package of your choice.  I recommend to go with Scholar's package or higher and take advantage of the Payment Plan option.  I guartee that you will never be disappointed! 

God bless!

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 9:14 AM

I was wondering about "middle ground" discussions, a bit like Giovanni brings up in the previous post where posters "talk up" the value of other software.  Imo, how Giovanni did it is fine, because a) he is not slamming, but in fact promoting Logos, and b) the whole post--let alone thread--is not devoted exclusively to extolling the virtues of Accordance, BW, E-S, etc.


Still, it is more than just seeing how Logos and other software application have a point of contact.  So, is a post like the above still satisfactory on these forums?

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 11:34 AM

Giovanni Baggio:
WordSearch has the complete John G. Butler's Analytical Bible Expositor,
For those not aware of the Logos edition. See here for the Analytical Bible Expositor http://www.logos.com/search?q=John+G.+Butler%27s+Analytical+Bible+Expositor
 
Giovanni Baggio:
Following God Series,
See here http://www.logos.com/products/details/2483

Giovanni Baggio:
Biography Series and Studies on the Savior Series which are a magnificent help to preach expository sermons.  You put Mattoon's work together with Butler's and you could literally preach for several years using their material alone!!! Superb masterpieces!!! If Logos could manage to get this BRILLIANT resources on Logos 4 format, that would definitely make me a Logos 4 Exclusive user! Big Smile

You can suggest that these books be made available in Logos in the suggest forum here http://community.logos.com/forums/28.aspx  and email - suggest AT logos.com

Ted

 

 

 

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Giovanni Baggio | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 26 2010 6:34 AM

Thanks for the links Ted,

I'm within the 60 day Wordsearch return policy -- So I'll go ahead and return the Butler's Analytical B.E. and get the logos version instead.  I will suggest to Logos to make the Biography series and Studies on the Savior available if they can.  I only own a couple of print volumes and I would like to have them in Logos 4 format.  Concerning the following God series, I have ordered them from Wordsearch, but they're more like study guides, so for now I'll skip the digital versions (will return them too) and just pray that Logos will get the Biography series and Studies on the Savior series available.  Hey, they might even be interested in putting Dr. Rod Mattoon's Treasure's from the Scriptures in Logos 4.  Either way, my # 1 Bible software of all time has always been and will always be Logos Bible Software.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 26 2010 10:11 AM

Giovanni Baggio:
  I will suggest to Logos

 

Giovanni--do you know about suggest@logos.com and also writing a suggestion post on the "suggestions" forum section here?  Those two things will help your suggestions get noted by Logos.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 1 2013 9:07 PM

Personally, I am content with Logos.  It does everything I need to do.  So I have no need to mention the others.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 5:48 AM

We have several Special Interest Groups:
Anglican
Lutheran
Orthodox
Pentecostal & Charismatic
Reformed
Seventh-day Adventist
Verbum [Catholic] [Still missing its own Forum but the only one with a Blog]

Only the Verbum group has released a $50 package that allows FULL study of their Beliefs.

[The others are working on Special Interest Group Packages but they will have a hard time matching Verbum.]

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 10:42 AM

Michael Childs:

Personally, I am content with Logos.  It does everything I need to do.  So I have no need to mention the others.

Coming late to the discussion. I use four different programs. Accordance and Olivetree work well for me for somethings and I have no wish to duplicate resources I already own there. Wordsearch offers several items that I can not find elsewhere. They all have their uses.. That being said Logos is used most heavily because at least 75% of all my resources are in it (probably logos has available 90% of all i own). I would be really nice if only one was needed, Logos offers most everything I want but not quite all and their mobile experience while good is not the best for me. I, and others, have asked in forums in the past why dose x company have something so much cheaper. But in the end it matters not.. We are not privy  to the inside deals publishers make with various software companies. I know when i asked about the price difference of one item years ago I was told that the publisher would't let them price it as low as company B. I eventually found a Logos 3 CDROM for purchase that had the items on for a good price, and now Logos has a similar if not same price for the work. But that just goes to show you how sometimes contracts ties one companies hands and when all is said and done if we want the cheaper price there is nothing stoping us from using the other software (and doing our own price comparison, i must admit more than once I have bought a CDROM for Logos resources because it was significantly cheaper than getting it directly from Logos). 

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 11:13 AM
At one time you could use sources across several publishers because they all used the same step format. That was very nice while it lasted.
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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:08 PM

STEP had unresolvable issues.

Take for example my Logos copy of the NET Bible. Sometimes I'm not entirely sure it's correct. So I compare it to my NET Bible in Olivetree. If the passage is especially difficult, I may also compare it to my NET Bible in PocketBible.  Just a couple of days ago I luckily had an NET Bible on my Kindle, which turned out to have the better reading.

I could never have done this in a STEP environment.

Now granted, I could have also cross-checked the NET Bible in my own Bible software, but  I 'adjust'  the text as needed when NET is incorrect (ok, call me a 'copyist'). 


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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:43 PM

Denise:

I could never have done this in a STEP environment.

Why not?  I would assume that during the high point of STEP you might have had four STEP based programs and that each would have sold you a version of the NET file.  You still could have run all four programs open to the NET or even loaded all four files into any one of the four programs.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 2:40 PM

David ... I was only demonstrating the nuttiness of the present situation buying 4 copies plus a free changable one. STEP would have only required a single purchase.

I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September.  I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.


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John | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 2:45 PM

LaRosa Johnson:

I think it's cool that all of these companies can work together in one way or another & that they all have the common goal of getting people to study the Word of God Smile

I would like to see them work together in a greater way. I would like to see a common licensing arrangement, or better yet a common file format.

For example: I can go to the store and buy a movie on a DVD or a Blueray disc. I can take it home and insert it into my Blueray player. It does not matter which manufacturer I bought the player from, I can be confident that the disc will play. If I have a Sony player in my living room, and a Panasonic or an LG player in my bedroom, the disc will play in any and all of them.

With Bible software, I have the ESV Study Bible in Bibleworks. I have the NASB and the NLT in Laridian. I have other resources such as TDNT in Olivetree. And numerous resources in Logos.

If I want to view any of these resources on a different platform, I have to purchase them AGAIN. Some of these I have already paid for licenses 3 or 4 times, but still cannot view them anywhere at any time. If I want to read any of these resources on my Nook e-Reader, I have to pay for them over again.

The cost of Logos includes licenses for dozens of resources. But If I also buy another competing product, I have to repay those same license fees over again.

The individual companies that resell these licenses are competing with each other, and they make their profit margin either way. But the customer many times is paying for the same product over again. The customer loses, and until the customers demand change, this unfair system will continue to exist.

This is a crime being committed by the publishers, essentially charging the end user multiple times for the same product. And I know someone will argue against what I am saying here, that the license has restrictions that require you to pay again for A B or C reasons. That argument misses the whole point. The licensing scheme is part of the problem.

In the past, an attempt was made with a format called STEP, which seems to have disappeared from view. The format may have failed, but the idea behind it was good. You could pay for a license for a STEP resource once, and then view it in any software on any platform that supported STEP.

Bibleworks now has the ability to read some Wordsearch resources, which the purchaser can view in either program. This is a step in the right direction for the customer. The question is, will other companies join an effort like this and support it, or continue business as usual and hope that it goes away like STEP did. My guess is the latter, because doing what is right for the customer usually takes a back seat to the bottom line.

 

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 3:03 PM

Denise:
I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September.  I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.

The Windows port is looking pretty good. It is F.A.S.T. I really, really wish Logos would spend a few cycles working on optimization & polish.

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