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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 24 2010 2:18 PM

In 1 cor 13:12 how do you search for the Greek phrase "καὶ καθὼς" ("even as" I am fully known) as it is used in other passages?  It just dawned on me that it would be handy to look up not just a word in greek or hebrew but phrases to see how they are used in different contexts.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 2:44 PM

If you don't know Greek you can click the "Add Versions" and add a translation of you choice to display English.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 3:11 PM

  Actually the phrase in 1 Cor. 13:12 is "καθὼς καὶ" which is a different search.

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 4:45 PM

Thanks for the replies!  I guess I didn't take into account that the interlinears don't put the words in the order of the original Greek.  I know I can look up a Greek version for the passage in question and see the order (although I don't read Greek very well having only had a year of it online quite a while ago) but is there an interlinear that has the words in the order of the original Greek?

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 4:51 PM

TimEngwer:

Thanks for the replies!  I guess I didn't take into account that the interlinears don't put the words in the order of the original Greek.  I know I can look up a Greek version for the passage in question and see the order (although I don't read Greek very well having only had a year of it online quite a while ago) but is there an interlinear that has the words in the order of the original Greek?

A regular interlinear has the original word order and would be suitable for phrase searches. Type the word interlinear into your library and see if you have a NA27 or UBS4 interlinear.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 4:52 PM

TimEngwer:

Thanks for the replies!  I guess I didn't take into account that the interlinears don't put the words in the order of the original Greek.  I know I can look up a Greek version for the passage in question and see the order (although I don't read Greek very well having only had a year of it online quite a while ago) but is there an interlinear that has the words in the order of the original Greek?

There are thre Greek Interlinears that I have the NA27 Interlinear, the UBS Interlinear, and the Lexham Greek New Testament Interlinear (LGNTI). If you sync them with you're English Bible, you should be able to find what you're looking for fairly quickly.

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 5:10 PM

OK.  I have those interlinears and this is getting easier.  THe way I do the phrase search is to highlight the phrase from one of these Interlinears that have the original order of words and then paste them into a search field and put quotes around them and then do a morph search.  This works but is there an easier way?  I tried right clicking on the highlighted phrase hoping I could do a "search this resource" just as I would for a single word but this doesn't work.  It seems you can only search for one word at a time using this method.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 5:40 PM

TimEngwer:

OK.  I have those interlinears and this is getting easier.  THe way I do the phrase search is to highlight the phrase from one of these Interlinears that have the original order of words and then paste them into a search field and put quotes around them and then do a morph search.  This works but is there an easier way?  I tried right clicking on the highlighted phrase hoping I could do a "search this resource" just as I would for a single word but this doesn't work.  It seems you can only search for one word at a time using this method.

Searching Greek phrases isn't always easy, since Greek is an inflected language.

But if you're confident that the phrase you're looking for will always be exactly the same you can simply select the phrase, right click, make sure "Selection" is highlighted on the right side of the right-click menu, and choose "Search this resource."

I did this for "Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν" which occurs 6 times in Romans (and no where else).

But this wouldn't work for all phrases, because sometimes the same words would be used, but a dative would change to an accusative, or a present tense verb to another tense, etc. Phrase searching is not easy to do in Greek without more sophisticated search query operators.

Here's one place in the WIKI that outlines the basics, of searching:

http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

But you may need to look more deeply into syntax searches to get what you're wanting here. Here is a discussion on that:

http://wiki.logos.com/Setting_up_a_Syntax_Search

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 24 2010 6:36 PM

I didn't think of the fact that the tenses etc. change depending on the passage.  I'll learn more about the syntax searching.  Thanks for the help!

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