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Edison DSouza | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 14 2021 12:58 PM

I want to create my own outlines and be able to see them in Bible outlines browser to compare and identify material that differ from me to read authors who see something different.

Is there a way for me to create such personal books or outlines that will be read by the software.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 14 2021 2:50 PM

Welcome to the forums. The answer to your question is no - the outlines are specific to the tool. It would be a great feature if we were able to add outlines.

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Daniel Wurzberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 14 2021 11:58 PM

I'm not sure that you can compare your outlines to others without oppening both books and comparing...

but what if you do produce a PBB with just the outline of let's say Romans...set it up as Bible Commentary...then you might searrch all your resources which are Commentaries...on romans and look for OUTLINES...compare, close which you don't need.

I would hope there would be a better solution...anyone?

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Christian Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 16 2021 9:05 AM

Edison DSouza:

I want to create my own outlines and be able to see them in Bible outlines browser to compare and identify material that differ from me to read authors who see something different.

Is there a way for me to create such personal books or outlines that will be read by the software.

I would love to create an outline as well.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2021 12:10 AM

Daniel Wurzberg:
but what if you do produce a PBB with just the outline of let's say Romans...set it up as Bible Commentary...then you might searrch all your resources which are Commentaries...on romans and look for OUTLINES...compare, close which you don't need.

There is an Outline section in Passage Guide and it will show you that many Outlines in Commentaries do not have bible milestones. But your PB should have Outlines with milestones to enable quick access and then compare it with the outline that PG provides for you.

It appears that your milestone should be at the book level e.g. Genesis, as the breakdown in Commentaries may cover all chapters in one place e.g. ch 1-11 followed by ch 12-50.  But your PB could include bible references (links) for convenience..

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Daniel Wurzberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 8:50 AM

This is a great tip, I was just checking References to Gospel of Matthew, only shows 2 outlines from Logos commentaries, non of mine from PB.

So what do I nee to tag my outline section in a PBB? 

My Bible Expository Commentary by Wiersbe shows this on RMB on OUTLINE: Bible Outline Reference:Matthew

And this is another commentary: Information panel shows:

Other reference:

Content
Reference:Ruth
Subcategory:Outline

So I hope there is a way to "tag" OUTLINES in resources (and PBBS) so they would show up in Passage Guide

This is a rel link from Matthew: https://ref.ly/logosref/Label.Bible_Outline_$7B_Reference:_$60Bible:Mt$60_$7D

So apparently, there's a label for the Outline section

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 12:44 PM

Daniel Wurzberg:
My Bible Expository Commentary by Wiersbe shows this on RMB on OUTLINE: Bible Outline Reference:Matthew

Daniel Wurzberg:
So apparently, there's a label for the Outline section

The Search you get from Matthew in Wiersbe's commentary is {Label Bible Outline WHERE Reference ~ <Mt>}. So you could create a Highlighting style with a Label called Bible Outline and an attribute called Reference  (a Bible Reference) and apply it to an outline in a resource. I'm not sure if it would appear in the Outlines section of PG, though. Give it a try.

My thought is that your Outline PB with bible milestones would appear in a Commentaries section of PG, which would be more convenient than trying to find it in the Outlines section!

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Daniel Wurzberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 1:25 PM

Yes, I'm kinda playing around with it...but with no luck. Logos help actually has a great example:


1. Click on Tools | Highlighting
2. Add a new palette via New palette or edit an existing one
3. Right-click the palette and select Add a new style or right-click a style and select Edit
4. In the Edit menu, at the bottom, expand the selection titled Labeling
5. Check the box This style implies a label, and enter a name for your label, such as Dialogue
6. To add relevant attributes at the time of highlighting, check the box Prompt to enter attributes
7. To have pre-set attributes, leave the above box unchecked, and click the Add attributes link at the bottom.
8. Enter a name for your attribute, such as Speaker
9. Select a type for the attribute value from the list, such as Biblical Person.
10. Enter a value for the attribute. Type Paul into the box, and an autocomplete dropdown will appear listing entries matching your input. Click Paul.


Logos Help. (2018). Faithlife.

So I've set up a Label called Bible Outline with Reference - Bible Reference - Matthew...

It works as metadata in information panel...but it's not showing up in Passage guide.

I would really like for this to work...I do get all commentaries listed...but so many dont't have this set up properly. 

This woule be an easy way to "compare" outlines.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 3:09 PM

Daniel Wurzberg:
...but it's not showing up in Passage guide.

At the moment only sermon labels are the only user labels to be picked up in the guide section when the label name and attributes meet the Faithlife standard. I have repeatedly asked for this to be possible with other labels.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Daniel Wurzberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 3:19 PM

Ah, thank you...

spent 3 hours figuring this stuff out. Don't really understand why these limitations. Or even better, why are Logos Res not made to work properly with outlines. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 3:24 PM

Daniel Wurzberg:
Don't really understand why these limitations.

The answer to this is simply -- available programming staff. From my perspective, they leave projects unfinished; from Faithlife's perspective, they do as much as they can to make the tool available and useful to the most users. And, as they have remained a successful business, I suspect their approach is best. However, that is why I would like to see Logos 10 concentrate on finishing/polishing the products current features more than adding new features -- but mine is often the minority voice.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Daniel Wurzberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2021 3:29 PM

I feel this is just a limitation on the user side. Seems like other labels work, or at least could work. Aynway, thanks for your help. 

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