I HATE IT

Yes, I have given myself nearly two years to get used to it. It is STILL the biggest obstacle to the smooth use of Logos/Verum ... and the biggest generator of unwanted panels. I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter, and Logos opens Factbook to Open Road Integrated Media. Yes, I understand why it does but is it literally IMPOSSIBLE to simply execute the command as entered when it is fully specified and correct before turning to the selection list for an alternative.

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Beloved Amodeo

I see your frustration and agree the present execution is less than optimal. It appears the Bible prioritization is one reason that one is unable to execute this simple command. If the NRSV is your preferred Bible it will appear in the drop down menu by default as your "preferred" Bible and you may select it. It would make more sense that whatever version you type in the Command Box be the Bible appearing in the drop down menu.

The Factbook domination is another issue altogether. I don't like this either. Hopefully the L10 testers are hard at work on issues such as these.

Jack Caviness

I agree with MJ. If I type a Bible version and a Scripture address, I most definitely do not want Factbook. If I want Factbook, I can use one of the links that appear all over my toolbar.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205448#Comment_1205448

I agree with MJ.... thanks MJ for bring it up!

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Yes, I understand why it does but is it literally IMPOSSIBLE to simply execute the command as entered when it is fully specified and correct before turning to the selection list for an alternative.

Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Worse is command open nlt php4.4 that does not have a drop down choice for opening NLT to Philippians 4:4 (so command is useless)

Preferred Bible in this installation is LEB, which appears as a Search option.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205453#Comment_1205453

Noted that Logos is quite picky concerning syntax here: This one provides the option to open a Bible to the desired address:

This one likes Factbook:

SineNomine

I HATE IT

You hate what?

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205472#Comment_1205472

I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Roy

I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter,

Humm,

When I tried this in Logos (I do not use Verbum) I did not wait for the spinner to finish (did not wait for the drop down) but straight way hit enter, I got the open bible.

Maybe not having the dropdown choices to choose from forced the system (for me) to default to opening the Bible?

If I would wait for the dropdown then I would have had as my 1st choice the same "Open Road Integrated Media" as you received.

I do however understand your point and agree.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205501#Comment_1205501

I don't have Verbum.... and it does not work for me. NKJV is my Bible of choice.......

I tried "Open NKJV to Acts 22:3" and I got Factbook with "Open Road Integrated Media" ... huh????

Another "pop up of Factbook.....

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205484#Comment_1205484

I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And SineNomine's signature line backs this up: "Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!"

MWW

Try "Open to Psalm 37:8" and see if that helps! [;)]

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205520#Comment_1205520

I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And SineNomine's signature line backs this up: "Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!"

I'm guilty. It's a fair expectation. I will be more mindful in the future.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205484#Comment_1205484

I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Squirrelly indeed! I tried it several times. Most of the times it did exactly as MJ described. But twice, it opened the NRSV to the requested passage.
Go figure!!!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205453#Comment_1205453

Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Don't forget that what comes up is dependent upon what you have been using recently. I most often have Factbook interfering with an accurate command ... but after I've been working a while it may shift to putting the resource first and then work as I expect/want/demand.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205472#Comment_1205472

You hate what?

Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!

I usually do - the use of click bait was deliberate this time -- part of my intentional discourse (analysis) synthesis. But I get your point.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205520#Comment_1205520

Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And as I say in my response to SineNomine, the use of click-bait was considered and intentional to get the attention of a particular subset of forum users who have their own frustrations but may not recognize the problem with a short descriptive phrase required by the title.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205543#Comment_1205543

Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Don't forget that what comes up is dependent upon what you have been using recently.

With NLT open, command open nlt php4.4 is currently useless for me:

Keep Smiling [:)]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205547#Comment_1205547

to get the attention of a particular subset of forum users

You don't really need to get the attention of forum users on this issue, though. It's Faithlife that you need to get through to. Using "ATTN FL" as a prefix sometimes works. But saying "I HATE IT" is most likely to only attract forum users who like to banter. FL is probably more likely to ignore a thread like this than one with a meaningful subject line.

I can see that what you posted about is a frustration. I used to get frustrated whenever I typed a resource short title and hit Enter right away (without waiting for the selection list to populate) when Logos would open the wrong resource.

I don't personally use the "open" command to open resources directly to a reference. I find it quicker and more logical (to my mind) to simply type nrsv <Enter> (actually, for my most commonly used bibles, nrsv and niv, I just click my toolbar shortcut icon for whichever one) and then immediately type the reference I want into the reference box.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205561#Comment_1205561

And I was sitting here rather proud that my understanding of discourse analysis was proving right in that the responses were skewed to the intended audience. I already have brought the issue to the attention of FL and added a suggestion to Feedbear. I'm sorry you don't approve of my use of a rhetorical device, but I can't honestly say it won't happen again if a similar situation arises.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205545#Comment_1205545

You hate what?
Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!

I usually do - the use of click bait was deliberate this time -- part of my intentional discourse (analysis) synthesis. But I get your point.

Thank you. And I would like to make it clear that my current signature, "Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!" antedated my post above and is rather broadly aimed. I've found myself struggling not to post quite a lot of "Please stop using clickbait titles" posts in many, many threads over quite a long time, so I've decided to try a more passive campaign by putting the message in my signature for awhile. Now I have evidence that people are noticing. [:)]

For the record--and you already know this--I rather dislike the intended "it" too.

Gordon Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205564#Comment_1205564

I already have brought the issue to the attention of FL and added a suggestion to Feedbear

I looked at Feedbear but couldn't see the link. Would you share it here please?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205721#Comment_1205721

Tweaks to the GO box drop down list | Faithlife

Gordon Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205751#Comment_1205751

Tweaks to the GO box drop down list | Faithlife

[Y]

Dave Hooton

I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter, and Logos opens Factbook to Open Road Integrated Media

I must have trained mine for resources. Provided the "to" is included, the bible is presented before Factbook; which I tend to access directly.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205772#Comment_1205772

I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter, and Logos opens Factbook to Open Road Integrated Media

I must have trained mine for resources. Provided the "to" is included, the bible is presented before Factbook; which I tend to access directly.

But how do you train it?

I've never used the command box with the intention of opening the Factbook... in fact, I rarely (borderline never) use/select/open the Factbook from any source/location. But using the command box as MJ noted (and using "to" as part of the command) still opens the Factbook!

I don't understand why. [*-)]

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205816#Comment_1205816

I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter, and Logos opens Factbook to Open Road Integrated Media

I must have trained mine for resources. Provided the "to" is included, the bible is presented before Factbook; which I tend to access directly.

But how do you train it?

You wait until the options show, then select the one you want (e.g. opening a bible rather than the factbook) and execute it. Do this consistently - which means at least five times in a row - and the menu will learn that you prefer the resource over factbook. So is it in my installation, when entering the string by MJ, opening the NRSV is the top choice for me.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205816#Comment_1205816

I've never used the command box with the intention of opening the Factbook... in fact, I rarely (borderline never) use/select/open the Factbook from any source/location. But using the command box as MJ noted (and using "to" as part of the command) still opens the Factbook!

It is the groups which are ordered based on recent usage, not the individual entries. That means if you recently have tended to use the command box to open tools, then the "Tools" group will be first. If you have tended to open resources, then the "Resources" group will be at the top.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205820#Comment_1205820

It is the groups which are ordered based on recent usage, not the individual entries. That means if you recently have tended to use the command box to open tools, then the "Tools" group will be first. If you have tended to open resources, then the "Resources" group will be at the top.

Appreciate your reply....

Sooo... how can we go thru the "act of Congress" to get that changed? Personally, I don't want Factbook to ever come up first... If I want Factbook...I would like only to have to choose Factbook itself... because I use "Tools" a lot for other functions... i.e. Personal Books....

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205826#Comment_1205826

Sooo... how can we go thru the "act of Congress" to get that changed?

My best recommendation would be to vote on appropriate suggestions on the feedback site.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205831#Comment_1205831

Sooo... how can we go thru the "act of Congress" to get that changed?

My best recommendation would be to vote on appropriate suggestions on the feedback site.

So it is written, so shall it be done!

Thanks.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205820#Comment_1205820

I've never used the command box with the intention of opening the Factbook... in fact, I rarely (borderline never) use/select/open the Factbook from any source/location. But using the command box as MJ noted (and using "to" as part of the command) still opens the Factbook!

It is the groups which are ordered based on recent usage, not the individual entries. That means if you recently have tended to use the command box to open tools, then the "Tools" group will be first. If you have tended to open resources, then the "Resources" group will be at the top.

Thank you, Andrew. I always appreciate when you reply in these threads.

But I'm wondering if there's more to it than that.

This morning I opened "Tools" (something I rarely do) and observed that of all the tools listed, Highlights and Notes are the tools I use the vast majority of the time. I don't open "Tools" to get to the Factbook, and I always have Factbook turned off in my layouts. So I still don't understand why running MJ's command causes Factbook to be the tool Logos chooses to open.

Also this morning, I used the command box five times to run the command, "open the nrsv to" followed each time by a passage reference chosen at random. The first two passages were in Acts, and Logos opened the NRSV to the requested passages both times. The third passage was in Genesis, and again, Logos opened the NRSV to the requested passage. The last two passages were in Revelation, but in both of these cases, Logos opened the Factbook rather than opening the NRSV to the requested passages. [*-)][:S][*-)]

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205904#Comment_1205904

Vote Please to stop Factbook from opening automatically in the Go Command Box unless Factbook is so specified!

Vote here "STOP FACTBOOK"

To me, Factbook is another example of "Make Word Interruptus" in that it pops up and I have to clear it out of the way and then go on... [8-|]

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205911#Comment_1205911

Vote Please to stop Factbook from opening automatically in the Go Command Box unless Factbook is so specified!

Vote here "STOP FACTBOOK"

To me, Factbook is another example of "Make Word Interruptus" in that it pops up and I have to clear it out of the way and then go on...

This has merit as the Factbook suggestions are useless to my intent in using the GO Box, and there is a Factbook icon right next to the GO Box! But you may have missed MJ's suggestion earlier in this thread which would demote Factbook suggestions.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1206028#Comment_1206028

Yep.... You're right again Dave!

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1206028#Comment_1206028

Vote Please to stop Factbook from opening automatically in the Go Command Box unless Factbook is so specified!

Vote here "STOP FACTBOOK"

To me, Factbook is another example of "Make Word Interruptus" in that it pops up and I have to clear it out of the way and then go on...

This has merit as the Factbook suggestions are useless to my intent in using the GO Box, and there is a Factbook icon right next to the GO Box! But you may have missed MJ's suggestion earlier in this thread which would demote Factbook suggestions.

Thanks Dave! As the thread progressed, I forgot she noted the suggestion. I voted for it now.