Chapter number not showing in Bible text

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2022 7:11 PM

I have the layout of Logos organized in the following way:

1. the main window is narrow at at the left of the screen.
2. the right half of the screen has a search window which also has several other tabs such as TSK, commentaries, etc.

I have it set up this way so I can share my screen with Scrivener where I keep all my notes and do all my writing in. But I still wanted to be able to have Scrivener open while still being able to see and use the main (left) screen of Logos. It works rather well, except for one problem. Because the main screen (left) is so narrow, the box that has the scripture reference is shortened to the point that most of the time it only shows the book name, the chapter is hidden from view. I can scroll up and down to find the chapter, but that is annoying if I'm in the middle of writing something in Scrivener.

Is there a way to display the reference for whatever bible text I'm currently on some other way? I've recently started right clicking, but this is just as annoying as scrolling up or down. I'm surprised it doesn't display in the title bar at the top of the window. Would love the option to get rid of the factbook or the multiple resource buttons since I don't use either one.

Here is a screenshot of my layout:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2022 9:57 PM

A selection and right click will give the reference.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2022 10:53 PM

You need to get a bigger screen. Smile

Seriously, though, if you have enough room in the right half of the screen to keep a "Copy Bible Verses" panel open and keep in on the same Link Set as your Bible, it will tell you what the verse reference is for wherever you are in your Bible.

Also, remember that you can use vertical space as well, and you don't seem to really need all that vertical space on the right side of your screen, so you could arrange the CBV panel across the bottom say 1/5 of the right half of your screen.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2022 7:20 AM

MJ. Smith:

A selection and right click will give the reference.

Yes, this is what I've been doing and it is not optimal. If I'm typing in Scrivener (this is brought up as half the screen on the right side, covering the search window) it is a nuisance to stop my train of thought, move down to the touch pad (would be even worse if I used a separate mouse) to right click for the reference. I'm wanting a way to do this quickly and easily, such as a glance over at the Logos main window on the left while writing in Scrivener on the right, this way I could include references just by typing them in (which is quicker than copying from the Logos screen. 

I've tried making the logos main window (left side) wider to allow the full reference to be viewable, but to do this takes way too much screen real estate, though it could be utilized if there are no other options.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2022 7:48 AM

Rosie Perera:

You need to get a bigger screen. Smile

If only. I'm on a macbook air, which is a 13 inch. I had a 10 inch netbook once. It was right borderline unusable. I use a small laptop because I spend a significant amount of time in the woods, in a hammock, with no electricity. Need something with a small footprint, small resource requirement, and light to pack in with me, etc. So far, this little macbook has done quite well. But, one major downsize is the limited screen size.

If I were to stay in town most of the time (which might be possible in the future) I would get a 70-80" tv and a wrap around sofa for the opposite wall of my living room. Then I would have plenty of screen real estate. But, until (if) that time comes, I'm stuck with the 13 inch.

Rosie Perera:

Seriously, though, if you have enough room in the right half of the screen to keep a "Copy Bible Verses" panel open and keep in on the same Link Set as your Bible, it will tell you what the verse reference is for wherever you are in your Bible.

I could not keep it in the right side window since this is often covered by Scrivener. I could put it in the Information pane, which is in the left window, right pane. But I typically have the information tab open there so I can quickly click on a word in the Bible text and get the popup of information. Speed is key along with the fewer clicks the better, otherwise my train of thought is disrupted. If I had it in that pane, it would require a click to see the reference, which is really no different than right clicking on a bible text, which is what I'm doing currently to get the reference.

Rosie Perera:

Also, remember that you can use vertical space as well, and you don't seem to really need all that vertical space on the right side of your screen, so you could arrange the CBV panel across the bottom say 1/5 of the right half of your screen.

I've thought about the vertical space. Because my bible text window is so narrow and the print is larger (my eyes are failing in middle age) I had hoped to keep that whole side open so I can view as much of the text as possible. One option, though, as you mentioned, is putting the copy verses in the right pane of the left window (where the information tab sits) but drag it down to the very bottom of that pane. I don't use copy verses, so it can be dragged to the very bottom, showing just the reference box. But, if I incorporate copy verses into my process (I never have used it because it was too hard to get to), since it's in an easily accessible stop now, it might just improve my productivity more than just having the reference in view. I already have a custom format set up in copy verses just as I need it. Just from a cursory testing, it appears it will even allow me to do multiple verses at once (i.e. Ro 1:1-3). 

I just added this to my layout. I'm going to use it this next week see how it performs. Thanks for the tip.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2022 8:11 AM

The problem you address, has been there for years. Any small-panel layouts suffer.

- They don't abbreviate the reference. Which for Deuteronomy, is a pain.

- When you click on a reference box, you don't get a full-highlight (need to tab it manually), but you also don't get an end of reference position to at least edit in the blind. 

- And, as you scroll/read along, it's not clear where you're at.

- And the design is inconsistent.  In the CitedBy panel, they show the END of the Bible reference (you get the verses, not the book!).

Normally, the answer is the Locator bar ... which chews up space, as you've noted.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2022 8:50 AM

DMB:

The problem you address, has been there for years. Any small-panel layouts suffer.

- They don't abbreviate the reference. Which for Deuteronomy, is a pain.

- When you click on a reference box, you don't get a full-highlight (need to tab it manually), but you also don't get an end of reference position to at least edit in the blind. 

- And, as you scroll/read along, it's not clear where you're at.

- And the design is inconsistent.  In the CitedBy panel, they show the END of the Bible reference (you get the verses, not the book!).

Normally, the answer is the Locator bar ... which chews up space, as you've noted.

For once it's not just me being neurotic! Sounds like it is a well known issue. Too bad they don't address things like this. Would make the overall user experience much better. But, I think I've got a workaround with copy verses, actually better than I had initially expect. 

I don't use Cite By very often (thought I would use it more). Didn't know it had the opposite issue. 

I usually have a good idea where I'm at when reading, or I can at least piece it together between the book name in the reference box, the chapter number in the text. But that's when I'm actually reading. More often than not, though, I'm working on a study, article, blog post, or writing a book and I'm not so much reading the bible text as I am pulling quick references as needed. Formatting can be a pain, but I've been able to limit it to a certain extend. The copy verse custom formatting, though, will take out the formatting problem altogether.

It's not optimal. That would be having the current reference in the title bar of the window, but beggars and all. 

Thanks for the context. Nice to know I'm not frustrated because I'm insane, but because there is actually an issue.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2022 1:07 PM

DMB:

- And the design is inconsistent.  In the CitedBy panel, they show the END of the Bible reference (you get the verses, not the book!).

I just discovered that this is the same format that the Copy Bible Verses reference box has: cuts off the beginning of the book but shows the whole chapter and verse. So, between the reference box in the Bible window and the reference box in the Copy Bible Verses, I can actually get an entire Reference at a glance. lololol.

Logos, you can do better than this!

But, at least it works as is.

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