Procaim request for real font size

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Obed Matus | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jun 13 2022 5:55 PM

Our church is considering buying proclaim and since I already use logos, it makes sense. However, there is a deal breaker:

When I set a font size that should be the font size. Currently the "font size" is set by fitting the text to the area of the slide. I would like the option (and I choose if this is default) that if the text, in say a verse, won't fit onto the slide at the set font size it auto chops the text into multiple lines/slides.

Rather then shrinking the text to an unreadable level, forcing me to manually go through and break the lines and break the verses.

This is a deal breaker, because we use lower-thirds to put Bible verses and words of songs and we need to have the option for Proclaim to break up the texts on the lower thirds slides. This option is something that is available on ProPresenter. I would rather continue to use Faithlife because of brand loyalty. But this is the main reason we would get Proclaim, to be able to use lower-thirds live. Right now we prepare all the slides ahead of time and we want to save all that work.

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Jordan Sjodin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2022 6:27 PM

Thanks for the feedback Obed, this is something we are considering.

Today, we don't break within paragraphs for Bible items, but I can see how (especially for lower thirds) you would want it to break them out to fit a reasonable font size without all the extra work! This would even be useful for large scripture readings in general, regardless of lower thirds.

I agree that this is an area we need to address soon! 

As for songs, we have intentionally treated them different to preserve their poetic structure, as well as avoid single word wraps, which tend to look bad. So in the case of songs we intentionally have you place the line breaks in their appropriate place, and don't wrap the text. We also break all slides in a song on blank lines. 

I'd like to hear your thoughts on songs specifically. Seems to me like a song is easier to manage like this since you set it up once and then reuse it, while bible passages very often and you will be adding them alot.

Also, we have options to do lower thirds for a stream, and full size slides for in-person. Would you make use of that feature or are you only wanting lower thirds?

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2022 1:37 AM

Hi Obed

I am a regular complainer about the 'text size' box in proclaim.

I take, and support the strategy that proclaim have adopted in maintaining the poetic structure of songs. With songs the lines should, where possible, conform to the size set by the operator with a warning if some lines have had to be reduced. 

The situation with Bible and other text should be different and the size set by the operator honoured and slide breaks, if needed, inserted automatically.

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Obed Matus | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2022 6:18 AM

I think that you are correct about the slides for songs, that they should stay how it is. However, with bible passages and other text boxes, there should be an option, that you can choose to make the default, to automatically break the text into slides to be able to keep the chosen size of font.

We might sometimes want to use both lower thirds and full-sized slides in the future, but for the most part, we would only use lower thirds.

You are right, we need this addressed soon. If we have an ETA that is not too distant, we can wait. However, otherwise we will need to go with ProPresenter, although as I mentioned, we really want to stay with Faithlife. 

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Obed Matus | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2022 9:39 PM

Jordan Sjodin:

I agree that this is an area we need to address soon! 



Jordan, do you have any idea how soon you might  address this? We really need this to work and I really want to stay wit Faithlife. 

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Jordan Sjodin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 18 2022 10:40 AM

We are still investigating what it would take. 
However, I don’t think it will be too hard as Bible passage items already have two slide break options today, the default which is on blank lines and a checkbox option for breaking on paragraphs. (Subtle difference)

So the code already has affordance for multiple types of breaks so shouldn’t be too hard to add another option for “within paragraph”. That option would then maintain the font size and split once we have run out of room. 

I’ll take a look in more detail next week and see when we can get it in

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2022 7:06 AM

Yes PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!

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Obed Matus | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 24 2022 7:20 AM

Jordan Sjodin:

We are still investigating what it would take. 
However, I don’t think it will be too hard as Bible passage items already have two slide break options today, the default which is on blank lines and a checkbox option for breaking on paragraphs. (Subtle difference)

So the code already has affordance for multiple types of breaks so shouldn’t be too hard to add another option for “within paragraph”. That option would then maintain the font size and split once we have run out of room. 

I’ll take a look in more detail next week and see when we can get it in

I‘m glad to hear this and encouraged that we might soon be able to get Proclaim. 

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