Please, Faithlife/Logos do not go down this road. The result will be a massive exodus of faithful pastors.
Still Stace: My Gay Christian Coming-of-Age Story
https://www.logos.com/product/212934/still-stace-my-gay-christian-coming-of-age-story-an-illustrated-memoir
As a lifelong learner and teacher in a church who is faithful to God's Word, I have invested much time and money in your resources. Publishing this story is disappointing and will cause me to pause regarding future purchases.
Thanks, now I can't unsee this. The worst part of this is the summation of the the book's description:
"Then the possibility of being both gay and Christian seems not just possible, but the best answer of all."
Could we just not.
I preordered this title when it first appeared in the catalog. For the past year the preorder progress has cycled on an almost daily basis between "in production" and "ships". A few additional preorders might help this book to finally ship.
I sort of suspected that was mainly what the pastors cared about. But not to fear ... in the FL magazine, they burnished their credentials, and spent a whole article on a single word. Stomped it to pieces (and the offending translation).
Please, Faithlife/Logos do not go down this road. The result will be a massive exodus of faithful pastors. Still Stace: My Gay Christian Coming-of-Age Story https://www.logos.com/product/212934/still-stace-my-gay-christian-coming-of-age-story-an-illustrated-memoir
So I assume you never buy any books at all from Amazon or B&N...right? I know what bugs you about this title; I just don't understand why. Why are you so bothered by the fact that some people sin? Don't you? If it's the fact that someone is teaching "untruth", doesn't that then make you obliged to avoid practicing and preaching all untruth? You know...to avoid hypocrisy and certain judgment. If the subject matter is contrary to your POV, don't buy it, and speak against it. But tread lightly...I'm 100% certain that you have errors in your theology that are worthy of the same outcome you believe will adhere to those who purchase and support this title.
Logos is a Christian software program company. If they were promoting theft, lying, blaspheme we would be as upset as we are with this. Sodomy is not only sinful, it is unnatural
David Paul,
Amazon and Barnes and Noble do not claim to be a Christian company. The Faithlife mission statement is: "We use technology to equip the Church to grow in the light of the Bible."
Additionally, the book targets children. There is nothing Christian or related to the Fathlife mission to sell such material.
Thank you all for your feedback. At this time, it has been decided to remove the product from the site.
At this time??!!! What does that mean?
Well, "at this time" I don't trust your company at all. Almost weekly since the 1990's I have purchased and supported Logos. Until they make it clear this does not mark a direction for the company, all purchases are stopped.
At least I got to keep Dracula 🧛♂️ But this (now that I read the entire thread) should be banned! Children’s book promoting what? 😳 And it was illustrated 😳
Maybe it’s time for Faithlife to hire someone to monitor the content of their ebook store. Automatic production of such atrocities is not acceptable!
DAL
“At this time”? What does that mean?
It was a children’s book promoting sodomy!!!!!!Faithlife needs to apologize and promise never to allow such materials to be published or promoted by their company.
Mitch, how should we submit to you/Logos our lists of resources of which we want Logos to cease production or sale? Is there a certain number of forum responses in support of a given resource's termination required before Logos will remove it? Or does Logos presume the wisdom and divine inspiration of its forum posters' objections on such matters?
Which angers users such as myself. In my part of the world, at least two mainstream Protestant churches have had gay pastors going back three decades - prominent enough that as a Catholic I am aware of them. ACELO churches (Anglican-Catholic-Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Oriental Orthodox) have had outreach programs and church services aimed at the gay community. Logos/Verbum should be inclusive, assuming that the users are perfectly capable of selecting their own books. I do not believe that Logos or a particular subset of its users should act as censors -- they don't censor popular drivel with atrocious theology and logic but they censor based on some innate sense of the relative weight of proposed sin? Please reinstate the product ... I'll read it and try to deliberately build the market for it, it the resource warrants it. I've done it before.
Nasty version for those not understanding my Biblical position: For those users who are obsessed with impurity (in the sense of the Jew in the Good Samaritan parable), I promise to research the purity rituals associated with pixels that have been used for an unclean ad ... which, since you don't buy offending book, appears to be your real concern.
Resources helping people and pastors develop a faithful thoughtful approach to this subject is one thing. The church is all over the place on outreach centered around sin (i mean, as a baptist I'll point out our regular glutton outreach program). I think as a church we need a better yet still un-compromized, and internally consistent approach generally. I'm not sure this title would have gotten us there simply based on the excerpt that was posted. I do appreciate the haste with which it was taken down. Thanks FL.
.... I do not believe that Logos or a particular subset of its users should act as censors -- they don't censor popular drivel with atrocious theology and logic but they censor based on some innate sense of the relative weight of proposed sin? Please reinstate the product ... I'll read it and try to deliberately build the market for it, it the resource warrants it. I've done it before. Nasty version for those not understanding my Biblical position: For those users who are obsessed with impurity (in the sense of the Jew in the Good Samaritan parable), I promise to research the purity rituals associated with pixels that have been used for an unclean ad ... which, since you don't buy offending book, appears to be your real concern.
.... I do not believe that Logos or a particular subset of its users should act as censors -- they don't censor popular drivel with atrocious theology and logic but they censor based on some innate sense of the relative weight of proposed sin? Please reinstate the product ... I'll read it and try to deliberately build the market for it, it the resource warrants it. I've done it before.
Well said, MJ. Thank you. (FWIW, I've now launched a review of my personal pixel protestations. So far, so scandalous! [:P])
Sodomy is not only sinful, it is unnatural
Two quick observations:
Fwiw, behaviors that can only be termed homosexual have been observed in various animal species. Oral stimulation has been documented in squirrels and I believe penguins. There are others as well, but my recollection is fuzzy. Point is, it is a phenomenon that occurs in nature. Nature isn't about "oughts" but about "ises". Whether such actions have been verbally prohibited is a separate issue.
It is amazing how often Bible thumpers place themselves alongside those who sought to stone the woman caught in adultery.
Please, Faithlife/Logos do not go down this road. The result will be a massive exodus of faithful pastors. Still Stace: My Gay Christian Coming-of-Age Story
Faithlife heard your plea and acted quickly to comply. The exodus of the like-minded was averted.
I had assumed that the vast majority of Faithlife customers were adults capable of making purchasing decisions for themselves.
For those that approve of this decision by Faithlife, I encourage you to demonstrate your appreciation by increasing your purchasing to offset the approximately $15- 20 K I've been spending annually here for years. My exodus now begins.
... offset the approximately $15- 20 K I've been spending annually here for years. My exodus now begins.
Now, RRD. Get your CC back out. FL's between a rock and hard place. Else, they'd closed this thread at page 3 (their usual).
To illustrate, I'm slowly catching up on my reading and I started a Logos-promoted Old Testament Intro from Fortress. It pretty much slammed Elohim (from El), YHWH (from Midian), and many OT writers as clearly not monotheistic. Pretty much took out the whole evangel cosmos getting started. Apparently a textbook ... teaching the young! But not a problem. Instead, folks have their pitchforks out. But FL's a business ... needs cash for payroll.
You need to stick around ... your comments are appreciated. Plus FL needs the cash. More OT books for those youthful students. Tongue-in-cheek.
