copying greek text into Microsoft word

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Mike Groop | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 22 2022 6:49 PM

I'm taking a Greek grad course, utilizing Bill Mounce. We were instructed to install teknia greek font in our computers. I followed the steps meticulously from his website. I can type but the function/world icon button in the bottom left corner of my Mac doesn't change back an forth between that font and my default English Cambria, even though a box pops up supposedly giving me the choice between greek and US. What shows when I press that button is in Greek, but all the accents and breathing marks are all screwed up and look like dots: For example: I get ε•ν in a dot instead of ev with a soft breathing mark. The only way to get teknia is to select it in the font drop down in Word, making going back and forth a huge pain when writing papers. 

Even worse, when I try to copy and paste greek text into a word document it doesn't paste in tekknia, (even if I perform a paste and match style) though it looks ok in whatever greek font is pasted. If I try to highlight it and change it to teknia, it appears all screwed up. I'm actually getting good at typing in Greek as I have to manually type out every Greek verse I use in the paper. I already found the settings on what greek font in used in Logos 9's program settings, however Greek teknia isn't one of them. Does anyone have any advice for either issue? 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 12:38 AM

Mike Groop:
I already found the settings on what greek font in used in Logos 9's program settings, however Greek teknia isn't one of them. Does anyone have any advice for either issue? 

I think teknia is a very old font from the last century which works on the replacement-principle. English A becomes Greek Alpha, B becomes Beta etc. Those fonts are not really Greek fonts, they are only looking like Greek (just format any English text in your Word document as teknia and you'll see what I mean). Bill Mounce had it developed or at least published it back when computers where new and people didn't have any other alternatives. 

This is not how Logos works, here UNICODE fonts are used, where Greek characters have their own section in the codepage. I'd suggest you install SBL Biblit or any other UNICODE font (actually, even fonts like Arial, Calibri or Times New Roman will display Greek text copied from Logos in Greek characters), forget about teknia.  

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Mike Groop | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 9:37 AM

Thanks. that makes sense. 

I discovered interestingly that a competitor's product, Accordance, allows greek to be displayed in unicode or in teknia Greek, so they have some way of converting it. Probably because of situations like this. It tried out the free trial and it works. More importantly you can copy text in it and then paste in teknia in word. I have no intention of switching programs as I've invested and am otherwise quite happy with Logos. I'd only care about Teknia because my seminary school wants me to use that format in the Greek course for papers. They also require it for the course, but the prof gave me permission to not use it as long as I had the ability to otherwise do the course work using logos. I wonder if any of the included greek fonts in Logos are actually English like teknia is? It includes galatia sil, gentium, gentium alt, kadmosU, Noto sans, ,Noto serif, Palatino linotype, SBL Greek, Sirba Greek, or Ariel unicode MS. Or is there a streamlined way to copy and paste into a word document and get it converted? 

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Mike Groop | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 9:59 AM

Also, you wouldn't happen to know how to type the accents and breathing marks in Ariel unicode which is in Word? I set the Logos preferences to ariel unicode and I can correctly copy and paste into word, the font box correctly displays airel unicode in Word. however, I do not know a way to type any of the accents, breathing marks, or subscripted iota when I need to type words myself. At least in Teknia, there seems to be an efficient way to type those markings. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 10:24 AM

Mike Groop:
I wonder if any of the included greek fonts in Logos are actually English like teknia is? It includes galatia sil, gentium, gentium alt, kadmosU, Noto sans, ,Noto serif, Palatino linotype, SBL Greek, Sirba Greek, or Ariel unicode MS. Or is there a streamlined way to copy and paste into a word document and get it converted?

The available Greek fonts in Logos all are UNICODE fonts. The list will show fonts delivered with Logos plus those Greek UNICODE fonts you have installed in your OS. My list thus is a bit different than yours:

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I've never seen a converter "down" to a teknia-like font (or to Graeca, which uses the same method to diplay Greek and seemingly once was widely used prior to UNICODE), always ever converters "up" (actually, one of those was a part of Libronix, the Logos 3.0 version on CD-ROMs from more than a decade ago). But then, pasting stuff into Word from Logos should not need a converter at all.

But I'm not really an expert or even power user in such things, maybe others from the forum are able to help you.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 10:29 AM

Mike Groop:
Also, you wouldn't happen to know how to type the accents and breathing marks in Ariel unicode which is in Word?

No, unfortunately not. I'm not into typing Greek on my keyboard at all. I know that there are different keyboard layouts one can use and switch to - I think even Faithlife had one available, and there is one in the Windows OS that I could use - but when it very rarely comes to accents and such, I'll use the Faithlife-provided Shibboleth tool that lets me click all of this with the mouse.   

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2022 10:43 AM

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