Compatability with Sonoma Developers Beta

Has anyone installed the MacOS Sonoma Developers Beta released today? Is Logos working with it or does it crash? I want to install it but a few years ago, the Developers Beta crashed Logos and I was without Logos for a couple of months and I don't want that to happen again.

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JT (alabama24)

Ahem.

Logos provides no support for beta OS's. There is a good chance that it won't work at some point. Even if it works today, a subsequent beta may make your logos installation inoperable. Unless you a developer, you should not be worrying about trying out the betas. When the public betas go live, you should not install them on a device which you can't afford to be without for an extended period of time. Just take the advice of my friend:

I was without Logos for a couple of months and I don't want that to happen again.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260053#Comment_1260053

Thank you for sharing, I am well aware of that.

It has been my experience that once Logos fixes any incompatibility with a new beta, there is never a problem again with that version of MacOS. So yes, I know that in theory any beta can make any third party software incompatible, it is rare for that to happen.

I have been testing betas for 30 years and I enjoy finding and reporting bugs, that's one reason I use the Logos Betas. However, right now, I don't want to find a bug with Logos. That's why I'm asking if anyone else has experienced any issues with the new Sonoma Developers Beta.

So please, I don't want this thread to degenerate into a discussion on the pros and cons of beta testing. I just want to know anyone else's experience with Sonoma Beta and Logos. Thanks.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260054#Comment_1260054

I plan on getting Sonoma installed soon, and I'll report any issues I find.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260084#Comment_1260084

I plan on getting Sonoma installed soon, and I'll report any issues I find.

Thank you very much.

Rob Bruce

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260095#Comment_1260095

I have installed Sonoma on my Mac Book Pro and so far Logos seems to run fine. I also have ios 17 on my iPad Pro and the mobile version works fine as well.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260103#Comment_1260103

I have installed Sonoma on my Mac Book Pro and so far Logos seems to run fine. I also have ios 17 on my iPad Pro and the mobile version works fine as well.

Thank you. That's good to know. I have been using iOS 17 on my iPhone 14 and have had no issues.

Mostly fine on Sonoma, but I can't dismiss the notifications, which is a bit annoying. It keeps showing ('2') in the toolbar, for the x-marks don't respond.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260133#Comment_1260133

Mostly fine on Sonoma, but I can't dismiss the notifications, which is a bit annoying. It keeps showing ('2') in the toolbar, for the x-marks don't respond.

Logos seems to work fine and the notifications is the only error that I have found so far too. The x marks don't work.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260054#Comment_1260054

I know that in theory any beta can make any third party software incompatible, it is rare for that to happen.

It isn't rare, and I have had it happen to me.

I don't care if you or others beta test... I have done it in the past, and I will likely do it again in the future. However, warnings should always be given... and the expectation should be that something WILL happen... (that is the point of beta testing).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260139#Comment_1260139

If you're comfortable tweaking a SQLite-database you can "fix" this by updating some timestamps.

The database-file is located at: /Users/$USERNAME/Library/Application Support/Logos4/Documents/$LOGOS_ID/LocalUserPreferences/PreferencesManager.db

It contains a table called Preferences, in which there is a row under Type 'AppLocalPreferences'. The relevant timestamps are in the Data column. If you set the timestamps to the current date and time you'll be good to go. Set them to a date in the future and you'll be fine until then (I set all years to 2024). If Logos deploys a bug-fix you'll probably want to reset them.

Of course all warranty is void from this point :-)… Logos won't be able to help troubleshoot if this causes any issues.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260144#Comment_1260144

You can use this Shortcut as well: https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/8e250f5888b34f90b46623492e0e9c0d

R. Mansfield

Logos is working fine for me both on Sonoma on my iMac and MacBook Pro and in iOS 17 on my iPhone and iPad Pro.

R. Mansfield

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260200#Comment_1260200

Ah correction. I am also having the issue in Sonoma with the inability to clear notifications by clicking on the x. But I'm also running the Logos beta v. 26 (double beta whammy!), so I don't know if it's one or the other or a combination of the two

Jacques

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260149#Comment_1260149

Thanks DS! After 'allow scripts to run', quitting Logos and running the Shortcut you provided - it cleared the notifications

I'm seeing all the X for windows are broken, very strange. A quick command-W (Mac) does the same function and works however

Now if I could only get Logos to work with Vision Pro! [:P]

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260206#Comment_1260206

The Options menu will not open properly in this first version of Sonoma:

Rob Bruce

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260237#Comment_1260237

Experiencing same things on my Mac book. Going to hold off on my iMac and Mac mini.

Brent Carlson

As usual, I probably will do it soon as I can get a stable copy of Ventura in a volume installed. I kept my Ventura in a UTM VM as a beta and haven't updated in awhile since I am behind after coming home from deployment. My plan is install Ventura in a volume and then install Xcode 15 beta so I can install the Sonoma IPSW on another UTM VM. I let everyone know how it goes.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260263#Comment_1260263

The submenu DOES open in Notes:

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260286#Comment_1260286

The menu beneath the user picture also opens:

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260287#Comment_1260287

It is possible to export as usual using Command-P; this brings up the Print-Export window.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260095#Comment_1260095

The open/collapse triangles do not work at this time. An item can be opened by clicking the title, but it cannot be collapsed the same way.

Marek Tomasovic

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260302#Comment_1260302

Yes, I can confirm I'm seeing the same thing.

Jimmy morales

The only problem I am having with it (so far) is the "..." drop down menus on the panels are unresponsive. I am stuck without being able to unlink until Logos catches up.

Rino M. Dattilo

Thank you to this community! I always tell myself don't and I think this time I installed it faster than all other MacOS builds - because they made it so easy!!!

I too have the same issues you all do - just glad copy and paste from Pages is still intact - when that breaks I really hate life in sermon prep!

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261254#Comment_1261254

Sonoma Beta 2, (23A5276g) has the same bugs as the previous beta, but in addition, when I open my books, only a small margin of the book is seen. Check out the picture.

R. Mansfield

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261720#Comment_1261720

In the second Sonoma beta, I was able to collapse the toolbar on the left to its more abbreviated form, but now I cannot expand it back. Is there any command that can be entered that can do this?

Ryan Schatz

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261759#Comment_1261759

In the second beta, the window controls and interlinear panel at the bottom are not showing correctly. They appear off screen. Attempting to adjust the window size doesn't work either as I am unable to shift the Logos window down from the top of the screen. This beta seems worse for Logos than the first one.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261786#Comment_1261786

I confirm that the Sonoma beta #2 is still not acceptably functional with Logos.

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261720#Comment_1261720

if you drag the window size it will draw correctly

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261796#Comment_1261796

Also, my app crashes as I try to change Bible version in copy Bible pane

Ryan Schatz

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261796#Comment_1261796

I cannot resize the Logos Window. None of the resize handles work.

Ryan Schatz

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261822#Comment_1261822

Ok, never mind. Restarted Logos and resizing works now.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261759#Comment_1261759

If you keep on tapping (smashing) the arrow-button, you'll eventually be able to collapse it again.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261796#Comment_1261796

if you drag the window size it will draw correctly

Thank you. I also found out if you click on the resource search button, Logos will draw the books correctly.

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261786#Comment_1261786

... This beta seems worse for Logos than the first one.

Yes, I agree that it's much worse. Can still be used, but it's a bit of a pain.

R. Mansfield

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261904#Comment_1261904

Yes, I agree that it's much worse. Can still be used, but it's a bit of a pain.

Parallels seems to be working fine with Sonoma. I’m downloading Logos for Windows right now. That will work fine until Logos works with Sonoma.

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260301#Comment_1260301

In Sonoma, 1st Beta......haven't installed 2nd yet, when I try to close tabs, the x only opens new tabs and won't close them like as if I am hitting the plus sign instead. I have to use a contextual menu and hit close all tabs for the tabs to close. Anyone else seeing this?

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261974#Comment_1261974

In Sonoma, 1st Beta......haven't installed 2nd yet, when I try to close tabs, the x only opens new tabs and won't close them like as if I am hitting the plus sign instead. I have to use a contextual menu and hit close all tabs for the tabs to close. Anyone else seeing this?

Sorry if there are extra stuff in the screen recording. I had some difficulty finding the record stop button. I have recorded the behavior described above in Logos within Sonoma.

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261975#Comment_1261975

https://amber-embed.logos.com/shares/WS0qXqr2o4n55ilQ

Obed Matus

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261977#Comment_1261977

I just noticed that trying to open the Library crashes Logos on Sonoma Beta 2. However, I am able to drag the Library onto the window and use it that way.

There seems to be several things that Crash the Latest Logos Beta on the latest Sonoma Beta. One example is clicking on the visual filters button in a Bible (ESV) and typing two letters in the search field in the visual filters.

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261787#Comment_1261787

I confirm that the Sonoma beta #2 is still not acceptably functional with Logos.

Agreed. I have found a number of issues already mentioned in this discussion. I am not sure if it is a Logos or Sonoma issue yet. I have found it basically unusable.

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261720#Comment_1261720

Sonoma Beta 2, (23A5276g) has the same bugs as the previous beta, but in addition, when I open my books, only a small margin of the book is seen. Check out the picture.

I had the same issue. I can resize it; but when opening another book, I get the same thing.

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260302#Comment_1260302

The open/collapse triangles do not work at this time. An item can be opened by clicking the title, but it cannot be collapsed the same way.

Not only that, but I find I can't pick any of the sub-titles and it will open the book. It is completely unresponsive.

R. Mansfield

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1261861#Comment_1261861

If you keep on tapping (smashing) the arrow-button, you'll eventually be able to collapse it again.

And that also helped me expand the Toolbar back as well.

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1262220#Comment_1262220

Sonoma Beta 3 is out and has fixed the "click the x" and SOME of the half-blank pane issue :-). Progress.

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1262220#Comment_1262220

Sonoma Beta 3 is out and has fixed the "click the x" and half-blank pane issue!

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1263349#Comment_1263349

Aldo, if you click on the "open or close the sidebar" button twice, it will fix the block issue.

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1263363#Comment_1263363

Side expansion arrows appear to be working as well:

Brent Carlson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1263365#Comment_1263365

Side expansion arrows appear to be working as well:

Steven,

Sounds like good news. I will have to try it out when I get a chance to upgrade to beta 3.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1263599#Comment_1263599

On the "half pane" glitch, I find that manually resizing the Logos window expands the pane properly.