AI Searches on the Bible? Will this be added at some stage
I love the new AI searches on my books, but why do we not have this ability when searching Bibles?
If any AI bot, like chatgpt is able to do this, I think that it should not be hard to add this? To explain my question I will give the following example: I gave a following question to both chatgpt and Logos Smart Search and here are the results:
Question
"where in the bible do we read that jesus spoke to women?"Response:Chatgpt
[quote]Throughout the Bible, Jesus spoke to women on numerous occasions, often challenging the cultural norms of his time by showing compassion, respect, and inclusion. Here are some notable examples from the Gospels where Jesus interacts with women:
1. **The Samaritan Woman at the Well (John 4:1-42)**
- **John 4:7-26**: Jesus has a deep and meaningful conversation with a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well. He reveals his identity as the Messiah to her, despite her being a woman and a Samaritan, both of which were significant barriers in that context.
> *"Jesus said to her, 'I who speak to you am he.'”* (John 4:26)
2. **The Woman Caught in Adultery (John 8:1-11)**
- **John 8:3-11**: When a woman is caught in adultery and brought before Jesus, he addresses her accusers first, urging anyone without sin to cast the first stone. After they leave, Jesus speaks directly to the woman and shows her mercy.
> *"Jesus said, 'Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.'”* (John 8:11)
3. **Mary and Martha (Luke 10:38-42; John 11)**
- **Luke 10:38-42**: Jesus visits the home of Mary and Martha. While Martha is busy with household duties, Mary sits at Jesus' feet to listen to his teachings. Jesus affirms Mary's choice to prioritize spiritual matters.
> *"But one thing is necessary. Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her."* (Luke 10:42)
- **John 11:21-27**: When their brother Lazarus dies, Jesus speaks with both sisters. He offers them comfort and reveals his power over life and death.
> *"Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live.'"* (John 11:25)
4. **The Woman with the Issue of Blood (Mark 5:25-34; Luke 8:43-48)**
- **Mark 5:25-34**: A woman who has suffered from a bleeding disorder for 12 years touches Jesus' garment in faith, and he heals her. Jesus speaks to her directly, affirming her faith.
> *"And he said to her, 'Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.'”* (Mark 5:34)
5. **The Syrophoenician Woman (Mark 7:24-30; Matthew 15:21-28)**
- **Mark 7:25-30**: A Gentile woman pleads with Jesus to heal her demon-possessed daughter. Jesus at first seems to reject her request, but her persistence and faith lead him to heal her daughter.
> *"And he said to her, 'For this statement you may go your way; the demon has left your daughter.'”* (Mark 7:29)
6. **The Woman Who Anointed Jesus (Luke 7:36-50)**
- **Luke 7:36-50**: A sinful woman anoints Jesus' feet with expensive perfume, and though criticized by others, Jesus defends her actions and speaks to her, declaring her sins forgiven.
> *"And he said to the woman, 'Your faith has saved you; go in peace.'”* (Luke 7:50)
These encounters show Jesus breaking societal boundaries, teaching, healing, and showing compassion to women in ways that were revolutionary for his time. [/Quote]
and response Logos
[Quote]The Bible depicts Jesus speaking to and interacting with women in ways that were countercultural for his time. Several passages show Jesus conversing with, teaching, and honoring women. For instance, Jesus had a significant conversation with a Samaritan woman at a well, breaking social norms by speaking to her in public (John 4:1-42)[1]. The Gospels also mention women who traveled with Jesus and supported his ministry, including Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna (Luke 8:1-3)[2][3]. Jesus taught women alongside men, which was unusual for rabbis of that time[2]. He defended women's rights, such as when he advocated for a bent-over woman's healing on the Sabbath (Luke 13:10-17) and when he supported Mary's choice to learn as his disciple (Luke 10:38-42)[4]. Jesus also honored women's faith and actions, as seen in his interaction with the woman who anointed him with perfume (Luke 7:36-50) and his commendation of the widow's offering (Luke 21:1-4)[4]. Notably, women were the first witnesses of Jesus' resurrection (Matthew 28:1-7)[1][3].
[1] Ward, M. (2016) Biblical Worldview: Creation, Fall, Redemption. Edited by M.L. Ward Jr. and D. Cone. Greenville, SC: BJU Press, p. 231.[2] Ryken, P.G. (2009) Luke. Edited by R.D. Phillips, P.G. Ryken, and D.M. Doriani. Phillipsburg, NJ: P&R Publishing (Reformed Expository Commentary), p. 354.
[3] James, S. (2012) “Does the Bible Demean Women?,” in If god made the universe, who made god? 130 arguments for christian faith. Nashville, TN: Holman Reference, p. 138.
[4] McLeod-Harrison, S. (2011) “Good News for the Poor in Spirit: The Ways of Jesus and Power,” Mutuality Magazine, p. 8.
Although the response from Logos is good, it takes the data from books and it is not as detailed as the response from Chatgpt. I prefer the response from Chatgpt, since I am just looking to get some references. I am sure that it would not be too hard to add the ability to do AI questions within our Bibles, would it?
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I wouldn't presume to promise anything, but I will at least say this thought has also occurred to us.
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That would be so nice. It would make searching the Bible a whole lot more naturalEli Evans (Logos) said:I wouldn't presume to promise anything, but I will at least say this thought has also occurred to us.
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I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
- John 4:7–26
- Luke 7:36–50
- John 8:1–11
- Luke 10:38–42
- John 11:21–27
- Mark 5:25–34
- Matthew 15:21–28
- Luke 13:10–17
- John 20:14–18
- Luke 8:1–3
- Mark 16:9–11
- Luke 23:27–31
- Matthew 9:20–22
- Luke 8:43–48
- John 11:32–44
- Luke 11:27–28
- Mark 12:41–44
- Luke 21:1–4
- Matthew 26:6–13
- Mark 14:3–9
- John 12:1–8
- Luke 24:1–12
- John 2:1–5
- Matthew 27:55–56
- Mark 15:40–41
- Luke 23:55–56
- John 19:25–27
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
- John 4:7–26
- Luke 7:36–50
- John 8:1–11
- Luke 10:38–42
- John 11:21–27
- Mark 5:25–34
- Matthew 15:21–28
- Luke 13:10–17
- John 20:14–18
- Luke 8:1–3
- Mark 16:9–11
- Luke 23:27–31
- Matthew 9:20–22
- Luke 8:43–48
- John 11:32–44
- Luke 11:27–28
- Mark 12:41–44
- Luke 21:1–4
- Matthew 26:6–13
- Mark 14:3–9
- John 12:1–8
- Luke 24:1–12
- John 2:1–5
- Matthew 27:55–56
- Mark 15:40–41
- Luke 23:55–56
- John 19:25–27
Thank you Mark! It's good continue to share us.
Blessings in Christ.
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While we wait for what Mark indicated, I thought I'd try a Books Smart Search on a Bible. I don't know if the results are exhaustive but I certainly thought they were interesting!
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
Sounds great! 👍🏽
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this will be great especially if it uses the many datasets.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
Stop teasing us will ya
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Thanks Mark, I truly think that this ability will enhance Logos greatlyMark Barnes (Logos) said:I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search.
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John Fidel said:
this will be great especially if it uses the many datasets.
This search could be accomplished through speaker labels if we had the ability to search for any women in the Bible. The concordance search show those results (Biblical Entity Subkind:Woman) but we can't use that in a Bible search. If this was possible I could search Speaker:Jesus Addrssee:Woman.
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Sounds great Mark. Looking forward to the finished product!
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
Looks exciting! Even with smart search, I still find myself regularly returning to Google or openbible.info/topics/ to find a Scripture reference for a phrase or concept to which I can't quite remember the precise wording. Fuzzy search is a step forward, as are the other tools mentioned in this thread, but it is still cumbersome at times....and Google is just so easy.
Looking forward to watch Logos's growth.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
This sounds awesome, can not wait!
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Very nice!
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John Brumett said:
This search could be accomplished through speaker labels if we had the ability to search for any women in the Bible. The concordance search show those results (Biblical Entity Subkind:Woman) but we can't use that in a Bible search. If this was possible I could search Speaker:Jesus Addrssee:Woman.
Subkinds are not searchable in the Bible Browser either. Making that kind of grouping more accessible would do a lot of cool things.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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John Brumett said:
This search could be accomplished through speaker labels if we had the ability to search for any women in the Bible. The concordance search show those results (Biblical Entity Subkind:Woman) but we can't use that in a Bible search. If this was possible I could search Speaker:Jesus Addrssee:Woman.
This idea is something we've been considering for some time. It might still happen – but we feel that the AI version is likely to benefit more people, so that work has been prioritized.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
I don't normally give sneak peeks of things we're working on, but we have an internal prototype of Smart Bible Search. I tested it with where does Jesus speak to women?, and it returned the following. It will take a while to get from prototype to production, though. Don't expect Smart Bible Search in v38:
I'm not a fan of AI for things like outline generation and other content creation, but I am all in when it comes to AI helping with search and information gathering to make all my library content more accessible. I want AI to become my regular librarian/research assistant. This could be an amazingly helpful feature once it is implemented--especially when using all the rich datasets and tagging. Very exciting!
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I'm the same. Most of the time I find MORE of what I'm looking for and with much less work if I Google it over using Logos (and I have Logos open my entire day). I can't imagine how that can be. It seems like Logos (paid) AI should EASILY have everything that Google offers for free and more.
I keep expecting the Logos AI, since it's so relatively hyper-focused compared to Google, to change my life when it comes to studying scripture. Even the other day, I was using POE AI, and they have a free limited-access Bible AI (I have to pay to use it more often) and it produced radically better results than Logos does.
I'm assuming better days are coming.
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celt said:
It seems like Logos (paid) AI should EASILY have everything that Google offers for free and more.
Logos lacks the data farms that support Google ... and doesn't have the resources to support one. However, because of the curated dataset, Logos can do all sorts of things Google and even AI can't do.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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At some point the paid AI has to surpass the free AI, right? It needs to surpass it either in depth or in ease of use.
MJ. Smith said:Logos can do all sorts of things Google and even AI can't do.
I agree that Logos itself is powerful. I love it! What's lacking, so far, is the Logos AI implementation.
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Does the Logos LLM data farm include the plethora of Faithlife Dracula and Amish love stories, etc.?
Asking for a friend.
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I expect Logos will continue to carefully develop AI features until they totally, but responsibly, blow our minds.
We have had the luxury of having open-slather access to some extremely powerful, publicly available AI models. This has given us an expectation of what Logos could provide. They need to do that carefully and responsibly and not, as we see most everywhere else, quickly and chaotically.
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