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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 1:58 PM

Interesting thread.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 2:00 PM

Mark, I was able to upload my file after over an hour and then when I tried to access the output I fell asleep before it finished... when I woke up the next morning it had timed out.  Is it all tempermental with Mac?  I figured there was a lot of traffic on the site due to this thread.  Is it work another go?

 

*edit"  I see what I did now.  My report specs were probably esulting in a gargantuan file.  This coupled with my bottom tier internet service probably caused the confusion.  It worked now!  Thank you!!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 3:39 PM

Thanks, Mark! This is an endlessly fascinating report!

Todd Phillips:

I would have expected some of the Galaxie Software products to be more popular (although most of them do have Logos versions now):  EDIT: I guess most people have them hidden?

Early Church Fathers - Ante-Nicene      Galaxie Software    2002    3%

The Logos version of this is owned by 74%. I never owned the Galaxie version of this (nor the others ones I have Logos versions of: Calvin's Institutes -- owned by 99% of us, Josephus, Schaff, or the Edersheim books) so there was no need to hide them.

Incidentally, don't try doing a search (Ctrl+F) on your bibliography report in Internet Explorer! I tried it -- to find out what % of people owned Calvin's Institutes, and it seemed to be hung but was still working -- I didn't give up on it, and it finally finished -- took about half an hour!

The only Galaxie title I own is The Minor Prophets by Hampton Keathey IV, because it was a free download from their site.

There are only 3 titles owned by more than 50% of us which I don't own, even though my library is only the 24th largest among the 250 people who have uploaded their catalogs. The item I own that is owned by the fewest others (perhaps only me and one other) is the Wesleyan Bible Commentary.

Mark, one question: on the main page of your bibliography report tool, once I'm logged in, it says "Your library has 4,327 resources. (This will probably be slightly larger than the number shown in Logos 4, as Logos4 hides some resources that are not accessed through the Library, such as reverse interlinears)." OK, so I can understand this figure, and why it is larger than the 4,114 that are visible in my Library. But then when I generate the report, it says at the top of it "There are 250 users' libraries in this database. You have 3,336 resources in yours." Why is this so much lower than the other numbers?

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 4:10 PM

Thanks so much Mark!  I discovered I lack a bunch of Thomas Nelson resources that most people have - must have missed a good deal somehow.  But I'm one of the 1% that owns the Continental Commentary series. Stick out tongue

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 4:11 PM

Mark Barnes:
I've updated my bibliography report with a new feature. It's called a Popularity Report,

Here's a call to all Logosites ... please run Mark's reports so he has more data for generating the popularity report. Coffee for all comers

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 4:41 PM

Pam Larson:

Thanks so much Mark!  I discovered I lack a bunch of Thomas Nelson resources that most people have - must have missed a good deal somehow.  But I'm one of the 1% that owns the Continental Commentary series. Stick out tongue

Pam, I picked up a bunch of the Thomas Nelson resources by buying eBible Bible Study Library. Though it's no longer being sold by Nelson, various retailers are still selling it new via Amazon.com. And Nelson still has a chart up of what's in each of the levels of it: http://www.nelsonministryservices.com/nms/dept.asp?dept_id=5069

And there's also this chart:
http://www.nelsonministryservices.com/nms/dept.asp?dept_id=5078

It's hard to tell what version is what. The images shown on retailers sites don't always match up and the names aren't always correct. I thought I was ordering the Platinum Edition, which I believed to have the most content of all the possible editions, but when it arrived it looked like the cover image in that second chart, not the silver cover depicted in the Platinum Edition column of the first chart (which is what the retailer had advertised). I should have expected as much, because the price was too good to be true. But caveat emptor.

With the exception of the silver Platinum edition cover image, you can't read the text on the green, blue, and red icons on that first chart to tell what the names of those editions are. But the red one is the Deluxe Edition, the blue one is Standard Edition, and the green one is the Discover Edition, all of which are available through Amazon.

The Platinum edition column has some N/A's in it which are unlocked in the Deluxe column, so to get everything, you'd have to buy both of these, and there'd be quite a lot of overlap.

Note that these are all Libronix products, so you'll need L3 (or a call to Customer Service) in order to unlock the titles on them.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 4:51 PM

MJ. Smith:

Mark Barnes:
I've updated my bibliography report with a new feature. It's called a Popularity Report,

Here's a call to all Logosites ... please run Mark's reports so he has more data for generating the popularity report. Coffee for all comers

 

I'm worried about poor Mark's server load. There are only 250 people who have uploaded their catalogs so far, and already he's been experiencing heavy usage grinding his server to a halt.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 5:27 PM

Mark Barnes:

Mark A. Smith:
I tried this a number of times last nite with Firefox and was unsuccessful.

I think the problem last night was that too many people were hitting it simultaneously. Comparing a library of 10,000 books with a second of 2,000-3,000 books really kills my server! That said, if you have lots of extensions in Firefox you will be much better off viewing in IE. Extensions that interact with web-pages have a LOT of work to-do on this page, and can really slow it down.

Hey Mark!  You just keep the good stuff comin'.  thanks!  I have reuploaded my bib, but the generation is taking too long.  (after 15 or 20 minutes, still no pop. report).  Perhaps there is more traffic again tonight.  I'll keep trying.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 5:47 PM

Mark Barnes:

Dominick,

Could you email me the URL the site gives you to share your library with others? That will allow me to run the report as if I was you to find out the problem. You can use my contact form here: http://www.4-14.org.uk/contact

Thanks.

 

 

Sure thiing - just sent it to you via your web contact form!

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 18 2010 8:11 PM

Rosie Perera:

Pam, I picked up a bunch of the Thomas Nelson resources by buying eBible Bible Study Library.

Note that these are all Libronix products, so you'll need L3 (or a call to Customer Service) in order to unlock the titles on them.

Thanks, Rosie. I'll look into the eBible possibilities. I do keep L3 on my computer just in case.

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 12:15 AM

First the good news. As requested, the report will now highlight hidden resources - they're in red. Even better, the report now also lists the average user ratings for each resource, which I hope you'll find interesting. I'll probably add a 'sort by rating' option once I've optimised things.

Second, the bad news. Thanks for all the usage reports. Sorry about the server issues - the database table containing all your data has nearly half a million records, and it's returning more than 10,000 of them each time you run the report. Currently I can't get the query execution time below about 90 seconds. When it's done, the HTML generated is about 5Mb (plus images). I've done a little optimisation - shaving about 20% of the query time, and about 12% off the HTML size, but clearly I still need to do some work.

I've also not yet solved the problems some users have been experiencing with incorrect data. I need to write some code that will allow me to see your reports as you see them, but in the mean time if you are reporting problems, can you let me know the 'sharing' link the report gives you? Post it to http://www.4-14.org.uk/contactif you don't want it public.

 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 4:02 AM

Hi Mark, again great job working on this!

One suggestion for optimization - can there be an option for no icons of the covers of any size (this may save a lot of space)? Also, maybe just the title of the book instead of having a link to a Google search? For 5000 resources that will save at least 50K or so, and I find I go right to logos anyway because they titles many times don't help because it's a series you are looking for, and the title has "Volume 1" or something in it that makes the Google search fail.

Also, a feature suggestion - just display resources I don't have, or resources I do have.

Thanks again!

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 4:09 AM

Mark, thanks for this.

Interesting info. If you ignore the ratings from 5 or fewer users, it's fascinating to see what people love. Journals. Authors, Commentary sets.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 6:21 AM

Thanks for the tool Mark. Is it possible to have the the database list resources by those that I do not own. Will work for making purchases. I would prefer if they could be listed in one colour, and the user could have them listed at the bottom or top of the page.

Once again thanks.

Lynden

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 6:25 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. One small piece of good news. I've sorted the image caching, so that if you re-run a report it won't even request images that you've previously viewed. They query time will take just as long, but your browser should display the page much more quickly on subsequent runs. I'm still working on the other problems.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 1:08 PM

So to find the favorite resources, I sorted the list by average ratings and then filtered the list to only those with 20 or more users rating (I know, it's somewhat arbitrary, but it felt right Smile).  Here are top 50. The average rating is in parentheses:

  • (3.78) The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary -- Freedman, David Noel
  • (3.63) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Gospel According to John -- Carson, Donald A.
  • (3.62) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Third Edition
  • (3.53) Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament
  • (3.45) The Epistle to the Romans -- Moo, Douglas J.
  • (3.40) The First Epistle to the Corinthians -- Fee, Gordon D.
  • (3.35) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Letter to the Ephesians -- O'Brien, Peter T.
  • (3.34) Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
  • (3.32) The Book of the Acts -- Bruce, F. F.
  • (3.30) The Book of Proverbs, Chapters 15-31 -- Waltke, Bruce K.
  • (3.30) The Book of Proverbs, Chapters 1-15 -- Waltke, Bruce K.
  • (3.28) The Gospel of Matthew -- France, R.T.
  • (3.27) English Standard Version
  • (3.26) The Gospel According to John -- Morris, Leon
  • (3.24) A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles
  • (3.21) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Letter of James -- Moo, Douglas J.
  • (3.20) The Book of Ruth -- Hubbard, Robert L., Jr
  • (3.15) The Hebrew & Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament, CD-ROM Edition
  • (3.15) Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible
  • (3.14) The Book of Revelation -- Mounce, Robert H.
  • (3.13) New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update
  • (3.13) 1 Timothy: The MacArthur New Testament Commentary -- MacArthur, John
  • (3.12) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Letters to the Thessalonians -- Green, Gene L.
  • (3.10) The Book of Ezekiel, Chapters 25-48 -- Block, Daniel I.
  • (3.10) The Book of Isaiah, Chapters 1-39 -- Oswalt, John
  • (3.10) The Book of Isaiah, Chapters 40-66 -- Oswalt, John
  • (3.10) The Gospel of Mark -- Lane, William L.
  • (3.09) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Gospel according to Matthew -- Morris, Leon
  • (3.09) The Book of Ecclesiastes -- Longman III, Tremper
  • (3.06) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Gospel According to Mark -- Edwards, James R.
  • (3.06) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Letters of John -- Kruse, Colin G.
  • (3.05) Song of Songs -- Longman III, Tremper
  • (3.05) The Book of Deuteronomy -- Craigie, Peter C.
  • (3.03) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: Colossians and Philemon -- Moo, Douglas J.
  • (3.00) Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible -- Walter A. Elwell
  • (3.00) Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 44: Colossians, Philemon -- O'Brien, Peter T.
  • (3.00) The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Epistle to the Romans -- Morris, Leon
  • (3.00) 2 Timothy: The MacArthur New Testament Commentary -- MacArthur, John
  • (2.98) Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament
  • (2.96) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised -- Bromiley, Geoffrey  W.
  • (2.95) The New International Greek Testament Commentary: The Book of Revelation -- Beale, G. K.
  • (2.95) Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 19: Psalms 1-50 (Revised Edition)
  • (2.95) The First and Second Epistles to the Thessalonians -- Fee, Gordon D.
  • (2.94) Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains
  • (2.94) The Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament
  • (2.93) Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament: Luke 1:1-9:50 -- Bock, Darrell L.
  • (2.93) Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude -- Davids, Peter H.
  • (2.92) The Complete Works of Francis A. Schaeffer -- Schaeffer, Francis A.
  • (2.91) The New Bible Commentary -- Carson, D. A.
  • (2.91) Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 2: Genesis 16-50 -- Wenham, Gordon J.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 1:35 PM

I tell you what, if 1 is awful, 2 is poor, 3 is average, 4 is very good, and 5 is excellent, then we users are pretty harsh critics, aren't we!

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 1:40 PM

Mark Barnes:

I tell you what, if 1 is awful, 2 is poor, 3 is average, 4 is very good, and 5 is excellent, then we users are pretty harsh critics, aren't we!

I don't know about others, but I have defaulted all of my resources to 2.  That would definitely skew ratings.  But I like it that way: If it's not rated, it's new, plus I can rate something a 1 (lower than default).  A resource gets a 3 if it's usable, 4 if I need it (hard to work without it), and 5 if it's outstanding.  Plus I haven't manually rated that many resources, so a lot of good resources get a 2.

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 1:46 PM

I give everything a default of 1. If it catches my eye and looks like something I'll want to read eventually I bump it up to 2. Otherwise I only rate them as I use them.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 19 2010 1:56 PM

Mark Barnes:
if 1 is awful, 2 is poor, 3 is average, 4 is very good, and 5 is excellent

I did not do it like this.

Yes 1 is "rarely" used and 2 is original language related, but I use 3 for Bible study guides, 4 for journals and 5 for commentaries, bibles & authors.

Regards, SteveF

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