Ray Stedman

I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
AMEN!
I occasionally go to the PBC site to see if there is any relevant material.
Blessings,
Floyd
Blessings,
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
Great to have in Logos, i add my vote to this request.Blessings,Sir TDell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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Ted Hans said:Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
Great to have in Logos, i add my vote to this request.Blessings,Sir TPlease pardon my ignorance, but who in the world in Ray Stedman and what kind of material does he write? Apparently he must be well enough known for someone in Jolly Old England to be aware of him.
george
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George Somsel said:
who in the world in Ray Stedman
Check out
http://www.pbc.org/authors/2917
Blessings,
Floyd
Blessings,
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Hi George i am no dispensationalist but leaving Ray Stedman's dispensationalism aside as an expositor he is good.
George apart from the fact that you are a Christian what school of thought best represent your views, of course none but help me out here.
Wayne Grudem systematic theology comes the closest in representing my views, although on the eternal generation of the Son Grudem leaves me saying hmmmm. Now don't get a heart attack because i mentioned Grudem[:@] - i am a five point Calvinist[Y].
Sir T
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
Yes![Y]
Jack
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Ted Hans said:George Somsel said:
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Hi George i am no dispensationist but leaving Ray Stedman's dispensationism aside as an expositor he is good.
George apart from the fact that you are a Christian what school of thought best represent your views, of course none but help me out here.
Wayne Grudem systematic theology comes the closest in representing my views, although on the eternal generation of the Son Grudem leaves me saying hmmmm. Now don't get a heart attack because i mentioned Grudem
- i am a five point Calvinist
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Sir T
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church".
george
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George Somsel said:
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church".
Thanks George, you are an Anglican to me just don't follow in the footsteps of King Henry[:D]
Sir T.
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George Somsel said:Floyd Johnson said:Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
I was privileged to hear Ray Stedman while in college. I was an active member of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the late 60's and early 70's - the IVCF leadership arranged for Rev. Stedman to speak at one or two of our weekend conferences. I also had the privilege (though I don't remember why) of visiting the Peninsula Bible Church and hearing Stedman preach from his own pulpit during that time. I would greatly appreciate having the works of this preacher's preacher available via Logos.
Yours because His,
Floyd
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
I'm not a dispensationalist, but I have always appreciated his "through the Bible" messages and books.
A number of his books are still available, but his complete works are available through PBC.
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George Somsel said:
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church
Grudem doesn't know his Greek very well Hmmm[:^)] Are you sure about this George or is this your own bias showing up? You went to Calvin College and Seminary i am not sure what happened to you that you left the straight and narrow path.
Ted
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Ted Hans said:George Somsel said:
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church".
Thanks George, you are an Anglican to me just don't follow in the footsteps of King Henry
Sir T.
I'm ready for wife #3. OFF WITH HER HEAD !
george
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Ted Hans said:George Somsel said:
I "Sir T"eenly wouldn't fault you for being a Calvinist since I went to Calvin College and Seminary myself. While I am now an Episcopalian [Anglican Communion to you Brits] I remain a Calvinist though I would imagine that I'm a somewhat strange bird among Calivinists. I haven't read Grudem's Systematics. I got turned off by him with his "Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" bit. He obviously doesn't know his Greek very well. He may be OK otherwise, but I couldn't say. I started out as a member of the Episcopal Church when I was in Massachusetts and wanted to have my daughter baptised but there wasn't a Christian Reformed Church nearby and I had my membership transferred for that reason. I was originally very "low church", but I have grown to appreciate much of the liturgy. I still would not be considered "high church
Grudem doesn't know his Greek very well Hmmm
Are you sure about this George or is this your own bias showing up? You went to Calvin College and Seminary i am not sure what happened to you that you left the straight and narrow path.
Ted
I've got my eyes on the prize and I'm moving straight ahead. I have a bit of a problem though in that I eat too much so the "narrow" doesn't work too well. Seriously now, yes, he is deficient in Greek. Several years ago I took part in Wayne Leman's Bible Translation forum. There was a debate between Grudem, Poythress and I forget who on the left coast in which Grudem was obviously confusing grammatical gender with physical gender.
george
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
I agree
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George Somsel said:
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Are you trying to say that in another time and place you might have followed him? [:)]
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Philip Spitzer said:George Somsel said:
The problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by itself.
Are you trying to say that in another time and place you might have followed him?
Perhaps when I was young and didn't know any better.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Edwin Bowden said:
I would like to see Ray Stedman's works available in Logos format.
Peninsula Bible Church makes his works available in PDF format.
I , too, would like this in Logos format.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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George,
for the record; I'm a little different, I'd still check out Ray's stuff, but would steer clear of his dispensationalist views.
You might like this:
http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/95theses.shtml
bob
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
George,
for the record; I'm a little different, I'd still check out Ray's stuff, but would steer clear of his dispensationalist views.
You might like this:
http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/95theses.shtml
bob
Hi Robert, although i am not George, thanks for the link. It makes for an interesting reading.
Ted
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Okay, I have a question. First, I have been "raised" in the church as a dispensationalist. I have begun to change that view as my view of a pre-tribulational rapture has been changed. I believe in a premallianal post tribulation rapture. I am now struggling to discover which "camp" I most fit: progressive dispenstional, covenantal, or what?
Or there any other "camps" out there? I would just as soon be in the Biblical camp. [:)]
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
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Daniel R. Smith said:
I would just as soon be in the Biblical camp.
The Biblical camp is the Historic Premillennial, post tribulation rapture with a Covenant theology Hermeneutic.[:D]
Ted
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Daniel R. Smith said:
Okay, I have a question. First, I have been "raised" in the church as a dispensationalist. I have begun to change that view as my view of a pre-tribulational rapture has been changed. I believe in a premallianal post tribulation rapture. I am now struggling to discover which "camp" I most fit: progressive dispenstional, covenantal, or what?
Or there any other "camps" out there? I would just as soon be in the Biblical camp.
Of course there are other views. Get 4 theologians together and you will have 5-6 different views. There is also the Post-millenial position which was at one time fairly popular but which has fallen into disfavor (I think 2 world wars had something to do with that). Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold. [;)] (Sorry, couldn't resist). You won't find any mention of a "rapture" in the Apocalypse which is where you would expect to find it. Some have been rather creative in finding ways to insert it into the book, but it is about like putting a VW Beetle front on a Rolls Royce -- it just doesn't fit. While it does speak of a thousand year period in Revelation, I don't think you can take that literally since it seems to be a standard apocalyptic trope for the blessedness of the kingdom (which is NOW). Then in addition if you read the very last chapter, you will note that it speaks of the leaves of the Tree of Life as being for the healing of the nations. If this is after the Millenium, why is there yet need for the nations to be healed? In cap 22 why does it speak of kings bringing "thier glory" into the city and of nothing unclean or any who practice abominations entering into it? Indeed, it says that OUTSIDE are the dogs, sorcerers, fornicators, murderers and idolators. They New Jerusalem, the Millenium and the Church are one.
george
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George Somsel said:
Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold.
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
Hello George,
I am not surprise you hold to the Amil view but i have never been happy with their handling of Rev 20:1-8. Satan is now bound for a 1000 years Hmmm, in the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal is set upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more. Seems to me that many nations are still deceived & being deceived by him today. G.k. Beale monumental commentary fails to convince on this. I look forward to your exegetical defense/views on Rev 20 when your commentary is published.
Take care & Regards,
Sir T.
P.S. If the Amil view is the correct position, then the Historic Premillennial view is the correct biblical view to hold.[;)]
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George Somsel said:
Some have been rather creative in finding ways to insert it into the book, but it is about like putting a VW Beetle front on a Rolls Royce -- it just doesn't fit.
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Joe Miller said:George Somsel said:
Some have been rather creative in finding ways to insert it into the book, but it is about like putting a VW Beetle front on a Rolls Royce -- it just doesn't fit.
Great Joe, absolutely great - that made me laugh.
Ted.
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It is the nations which are deceived, not the church. Those who deceive are outside.Ted Hans said:George Somsel said:Then there is the correct view which is the Amillenial position which I hold.
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
Hello George,
I am not surprise you hold to the Amil view but i have never been happy with their handling of Rev 20:1-8. Satan is now bound for a 1000 years Hmmm, in the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal is set upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more. Seems to me that many nations are still deceived & being deceived by him today. G.k. Beale monumental commentary fails to convince on this. I look forward to your exegetical defense/views on Rev 20 when your commentary is published.
Take care & Regards,
Sir T.
P.S. If the Amil view is the correct position, then the Historic Premillennial view is the correct biblical view to hold.
How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.
george
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George Somsel said:
How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.
I was trying to be polite. if the Amil view is the correct position according to George then the historic Premil view is the biblical view. How about that, you forced my hand[:)]
Agree, it is the nations that are deceived and not the true church but Rev 20 refers to the "nations" not being deceived & not the church(no mention of the church there). As for the "Church" i see many deception, defection from sound biblical teaching. Look at the Church of England - the Bishops are not sure about so much!
Sir T.
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Ted Hans said:George Somsel said:
How can you say that if the Amil vie is correct then the historic Premil view is the biblical view? That doesn't fit.
I was trying to be polite. if the Amil view is the correct position according to George then the historic Premil view is the biblical view. How about that, you forced my hand
Agree, it is the nations that are deceived and not the true church but Rev 20 refers to the "nations" not being deceived & not the church(no mention of the church there). As for the "Church" i see many deception, defection from sound biblical teaching. Look at the Church of England - the Bishops are not sure about so much!
Sir T.
I don't think you can establish that the Premil view is the biblical view. I think that palm goes to the Amil position.
Don't get perkonal with a chicken ! I'm in the Anglican Communion. You could as well have said that the Baptists aren't sure about so much. It comes down to what is the Church and what is not. This raises the classic Reformed position that the marks of the True Church are the proper preaching of the word and the administration of the sacraments. Some would add to this discipline.
george
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George Somsel said:
This raises the classic Reformed position that the marks of the True Church are the proper preaching of the word and the administration of the sacraments. Some would add to this discipline.
To this i would say, Amen.
George Somsel said:You could as well have said that the Baptists aren't sure about so much.
Yes,yes,yes
George Somsel said:I don't think you can establish that the Premil view is the biblical view. I think that palm goes to the Amil position.
Of course i am distancing myself from the Dispensationalism Premil position. Historic Premil & Amil are very close in what they affirm but if (which is a big if) the Historic Premil position is wrong, which i don't think it is. Then i will have to go for the traditional Reform view - Amil. My first choice is H/Premil and then Amil.
Good to hear from you again, you have been quiet of late, perhaps busy.
Every Blessing,
Sir T.
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The Biblical camp is the Historic Premillennial, post tribulation rapture with a Covenant theology Hermeneutic.
Ted </quote>
Thanks Ted. Now I just need to "bone up" on Covenant Theology. Any suggestions for authors?
And I appreciate your imput also, George. I am really enjoying the exchange between you two, and wouldn't mind joining. However, I sure that this is may really go to far OT.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
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www.raystedman.org has Ray Stedman's entire library online for free, including his books, expository studies and individual messages (the latter in both pdf and audio). I've suggested / requested his works in Libronix format from Logos a couple of times over the last couple of years, but never heard anything. Glad to see others are interested as well.
Steve R.
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Daniel R. Smith said:
Thanks Ted. Now I just need to "bone up" on Covenant Theology. Any suggestions for authors?
You might consider the new Community Pricing offering by Hugh Martin The Atonement: Its Relationship to the Covenant, the Priesthood,, the Intercession of our Lord. Of course, there are also some of the classic systematics texts such as Hodge and Shedd (both in Logos).
george
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Daniel R. Smith said:
Thanks Ted. Now I just need to "bone up" on Covenant Theology. Any suggestions for authors?
Hi Daniel,
Try, O. Palmer Robertson books, Wayne Grudem Systematics Theology(Available in Logos) & MacArthur's Millennial Manifesto( A friendly Response) by Samuel E. Waldron. Waldron responds to my favourite Preacher from an Amil position while mentioning the Historic Premill position.
I am sure you are aware of the various commentaries on the book of Revelation from a Historic Premill position like George Lad, Grant R. Osborne(Available in Logos),Robert H. Mounce (Available in Logos),Craig S. Keener, John p. Newport, Ben Witherington III etc. Hope this helps.
Ted
Blessed Hope ~ George Ladd
The Israel of God: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow
by O. Palmer RobertsonUnderstanding the Land of the Bible: A
Biblical-Theological Guide by O. Palmer
RobertsonThe Christ of the Covenants by O. Palmer
RobertsonUnderstanding Dispensationalists Vern S. Poythress
The Shadow of Christ in the Law of Moses by Vern S. Poythress
Introducing Covenant Theology Michael Horton
Dispensationalism: Rightly Dividing the People of
God? by Keith A. MathisonContinuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the
Relationship Between the Old and New Testaments by John S. Feinberg (Available in Logos)House Divided: The Break Up of Dispensational
Theology by Greg L. BahnsenWrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of
Dispensationalism (Second Edition) by John H. GerstnerR. C. Sproul books (Available in Logos) - What is Reformed Theology?: Understanding the Basics
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Thank you very much, Ted and George, for your time with the book lists!
Also, to stay on topic, I have long enjoyed Ray Stedman. In particular, his sermons on the book of Acts. So, I too would love to see his works in Logos. It is by God's grace that I am learning to listen to various teachers with whom I don't agree with on one topic or another, and yet still be blessed by their expositions.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
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Daniel R. Smith said:
Also, to stay on topic, I have long enjoyed Ray Stedman. In particular, his sermons on the book of Acts. So, I too would love to see his works in Logos. It is by God's grace that I am learning to listen to various teachers with whom I don't agree with on one topic or another, and yet still be blessed by their expositions.
You are welcome - Well said on teachers one does not agree with.
Stay blessed,
Ted.
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Ted Hans said:
Of course i am distancing myself from the Dispensationalism Premil position. Historic Premil & Amil are very close in what they affirm but if (which is a big if) the Historic Premil position is wrong, which i don't think it is. Then i will have to go for the traditional Reform view - Amil. My first choice is H/Premil and then Amil.
[:D] I love it, Sir T! Theology cafeteria style.
It seems I get criticized frequently for my continuing quest for deeper understanding. I make navigational corrections along the way as I learn my understanding has been flawed somewhere. I remember George's admonition to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." George has also recommended reading those with whom you do NOT agree. So if Ray Stedman is off base it would e a good reminder as to why. Still there is a lot of practical applications we can glean from him. I think he was a gifted pastor whatever your eschatology.
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What's wrong with Shedd's "Dogmatic Theology"? Do we need anything else?[;)]
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Chris said:
What's wrong with Shedd's "Dogmatic Theology"? Do we need anything else?
Did someone say there was something wrong with it? I did list it as one that might be consulted regarding the covenant. It is a bit dated. It is not as though God changes, but we certainly do and need something which speaks more to our current manner of thought. I would also recommend Barth, Tillich and Berkouwer. Also, Berhoff is on prepub. Every theology is written from one person's viewpoint. It is good to look at things from other viewpoints as well. Some of them will most certainly be wrong, but that doesn't mean that you won't gain some understanding simply by having read them.
george
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Matthew C Jones said:
I love it, Sir T! Theology cafeteria style.
It seems I get criticized frequently for my continuing quest for deeper understanding. I make navigational corrections along the way as I learn my understanding has been flawed somewhere. I remember George's admonition to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." George has also recommended reading those with whom you do NOT agree. So if Ray Stedman is off base it would e a good reminder as to why. Still there is a lot of practical applications we can glean from him. I think he was a gifted pastor whatever your eschatology.
George Somsel:
The
problem is that according to the web site you referenced he is
apparently a dispensationalist. That takes him of the list all by
itselfTed Hans - Hi George i am no dispensationalist but leaving Ray Stedman's dispensationalism aside as an expositor he is good..Hi Matthew,
I do think Ray Stedman was a brilliant expositor and bible teacher so i have added my voice to have him in Logos. As for George, i do agree with him, it is him George who disagrees with me.[;)] I think there are some ideas that are best left alone, if we are to be faithful to the scriptures. Paul & John use strong language for "brothers" who do not walk according to the apostolic rule. Need i mention in Acts 19:19, books from the "other" side were burnt but i know you as a godly man are aware of this.
I have read a lot of your post & i have been encouraged by your writings so my comments below are not referencing you or George. I do abide by the spirit of George's comments though not the letter. To re-word his comments slightly,I am willing to read any book from my brothers & sisters who i disagree with in the Lord. I am not sure how eccentric theologically speaking the church world is in the states. Our Bishops here in London/England believe Mary our Lords mother was raped & all kinds of beyond belief ideas. Some of these ideas are not even appropriate to mention in a public forum. One Bishop went round the world exploring the different religions of the world and participating in their various rituals/practices & prayers. At one point in the program he was high on drugs( weed/ grass or herbs) he wanted to make contact with the other side, to see what these various religions meant by heaven. Smoking drugs on TV & saying how it was wrong to evangelize these natives. A cool Bishop high on drugs! of course it was well received, hailed as a positive way forward for the church.[N] I shall not be buying his book! Others are welcome to his "insights" from a higher state.
When it comes to ideas from the cults, it is good to know about their ideas so that one can refute those ideas and rescue poor souls in Satan's grip. Even that, i would be careful least one falls into the trap of Satan. The various Christian school of thought or traditions do try to honour Christ even though they may be wrong. Some simply just want to destroy the faith which you and i hold dear. My points is, we must marry constructive engagement with good biblical separation. My God is wiser than i, he commands me to separate from that which is dishonouring to him, that i will do by his grace. Engage cautiously & separate biblically is my rule.
Matthew, do not think i am taking issue with you, i am not. Your post just gave me the opportunity to say what was on my heart.
Thanks for your kind response & your contribution to the forum. Iron sharpens iron, we are all still learning and may the Lord help us all to see his truth clearly.
The Lord Keep you.
Sir T.
P.S. I started out as an Arminian & a dispensationalist, how could i have become a Calvinist/ Historic Premill without engagement?
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WoW! Brother,
I had no idea some claiming Christ's name are now preaching those types of heresy. I certaily wouldn't want those teachings found amongst my library when I pass. My children are taught deference and acceptance of fellow Christians who differ, but out-&-out heresy is not the same thing.
Ray Stedman didn't have perfect understanding of everything (He does now! [A] ) But he certainly loved the Lord and fed the flock as best as he knew how.
And I probably agree with George a lot more than he would want to admit. I can here him saying he doesn't care what I believe.... [H]
God Bless You today George, & you too Sir T!
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Matthew C Jones said:
And I probably agree with George a lot more than he would want to admit. I can here him saying he doesn't care what I believe....
And I probably agree with my "more conservative" brethren more than THEY would care to acknowledge. While I understand what you mean when you say that "he doesn't care what I believe", I also understand the more literal meaning, and I do care what you believe but it doesn't affect what I believe. Live long and prosper.
george
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I would also like to see Ray Stedman's work on Logos.... Chuck Smith too.
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Super Tramp said:
but out-&-out heresy is not the same thing.
How do you feel about Nestorius, Origen, Mani?[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Ted Hans said:
Grudem doesn't know his Greek very well Hmmm
Are you sure about this George or is this your own bias showing up? You went to Calvin College and Seminary i am not sure what happened to you that you left the straight and narrow path.
Ted
This is true, and all too common among seminary-trained teachers (think James White). In the book referred to, Grudem butchers a quotation from Chrysostom in a manner I wouldn't expect of a second semester student of Greek.
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It appears you are Calvinist in belief by your remarks. As well this would explain your end times understanding. Ever study Thessalonians ? It has much to say concerning evens within a rapture I believe. I believe scripture plainly lays out thing in a dispensational way and this is truly the truest biblical understanding , or way to understand the Lord word to us. Arminius was calvinist at one point and disagreed with what Calvinism taught about the will of man.calvinism says God has to regenerate a man before he can be redeemed and as well some were elected and others were created dammed by God. Really, I don’t think this is a very sound doctrinal teaching based on the BiBLE. But only God can cause one to see truth which is within scriptures pages. Both calvinism and Arminianism have error in them which is very unbiblical. Truly no man is perfect, but dispensationalism lines best in my understanding of Gods word. A premillennialism view if you will
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William Swallers said:
It appears ...
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I agree that Ray Stedman's works would be an asset. I would like to see his works added to Logos.
I am not a dispensationalist at all, but there is much good exposition in Stedman's work. I am not afraid to hold on to what is good, while rejecting what I do not agree with in anyone's work.
I am not a Calvinist either, but I have benefited from Calvin's Commentaries, and I am a real fan of Martyn Lloyd-Jones' work.
My library and my mind would both be smaller if I only read what I agree with.
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Michael Childs said:
I am not a dispensationalist at all, but there is much good exposition in Stedman's work. I am not afraid to hold on to what is good, while rejecting what I do not agree with in anyone's work.
I am not a Calvinist either, but I have benefited from Calvin's Commentaries, and I am a real fan of Martyn Lloyd-Jones' work
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