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BS | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:15 PM

I have Scholar's Silver Series X and I'm planning to upgrade soon to Gold.  I am wondering if I should just wait until 4.0 comes out.  Does anyone know how pricing works on upgrades?  Would I gain more bang for my buck by waiting to upgrade?  I'd hate to upgrade to Scholars Gold 3 and then see 4.0 come out by the end of the year if I could have saved money by upgrading directly from Silver X to Gold 4.0. 

 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:23 PM

On the upgrade when Gold first came out, Logos was extremely good about the discounts. I don't think I would have saved any money holding off...We haven' t heard any indication that the next version would be out by the end of the year (no dates given that I'm aware of)...so I'd recommend going ahead and doing it and enjoy your resources.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:25 PM

I agree with Jacob.  Given the history of how this works, you will not lose out by doing it now.  You can go online and get an upgrade price that is based on your current purchases.

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David Gullick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:34 PM

Do we have any idea of how much $$ upgrading to 4.0 wil be?

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BS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 10:52 PM

It's a $500 upgrade for me, and if the upgrade pricing works in such a way that every dollar you have paid for a package in the past is applied against the retail price of the new version you're upgrading to then there's no point in waiting.  I just wonder if that's really how it works.  I can also see the upgrade pricing scheme applying only a percentage of the total you have paid in the past against the retail price of the newest version.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 11:12 PM

Bryan Smith:
I'd hate to upgrade to Scholars Gold 3 and then see 4.0 come out by the end of the year if I could have saved money by upgrading directly from Silver X to Gold 4.0. 

It is anyone's guess when 4.0 will come out, but popular estimation on here is that we won't see 4.0 until next year.  Personally, I'm guessing summer onwards.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2009 11:22 PM

DavidGullick:
Do we have any idea of how much $ upgrading to 4.0 wil be?

Upgrading to 4.0 won't cost anything. Logos programs have always been free. We only pay for resources. Usually, when there's a major upgrade, new boxed sets, or upgraded boxed sets are released at a good price. Whatever that cost will be, or if there will be any great deals this time is anyone's guess.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 9:14 AM

I agree with Richard,

I think in the past we've seen "cross grade" pricing for moving from different collections like

Scholars Silver ND t-> Scholars Silver OC or whatever the letters were.  The pricing difference was because different resources were added to the collection. 

Summary: We only pay the price of resources, the engine is included. 

So go ahead and buy L3 why put off what is already a powerful tool?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 10:31 AM

Bryan Smith:

It's a $500 upgrade for me, and if the upgrade pricing works in such a way that every dollar you have paid for a package in the past is applied against the retail price of the new version you're upgrading to then there's no point in waiting.  I just wonder if that's really how it works.  I can also see the upgrade pricing scheme applying only a percentage of the total you have paid in the past against the retail price of the newest version.

Bryan,

As long as the current teadership remains at the helm of Logos, you can rest assured you will be treated very fairly. All the hoop-la about companies gouging users on upgrades has NOT been the case with Logos. In fact, there is only one other company that even tries to mimmick Logos by applying your current investment towards bigger packages.  Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade! You will be happy you did.

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 11:19 AM

Bryan,

I took the upgrade path from the old Pastor's Library (I believe it is referred to as the Leader's Library now) through the Scholar's to Gold about a year and a half ago. As Thomas pointed out if they make a change to the collection the price varies. I talked to Jared Bryant who let me know some changes were coming when I went Gold and that if I wanted to get some of the resources that were not going to be included in the future to buy now. Undoubtedly they will revamp the collections some when the next version comes out, but in most cases waiting will have very little benefit.

Just my two cents.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 2:14 PM

I think your question has been sufficiently answered: upgrading versions of Logos (3.0 to 4.0) do not cost you.  Sometimes new editions of base packages will vary in content from its most direct predecessor: it may delete or add some products.  But usually you have little way of knowing what will change, and it is often minor.  No sense in waiting x-amount of months for 4.0 when you could be rockin' now.

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 2:40 PM

Richard,

Sometimes the engine does cost. :) The Mac engine costs. I don't know if this will become a trend or will just apply to the Mac version, but I suspect they will continue to provide free engine upgrades for the PC version.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 4:32 PM

Chris Roberts:
Sometimes the engine does cost. :) The Mac engine costs.

You're right it does. Then again Mac users are used to paying more for the same functionality. [ouch! who hit me?]

We'll see if Logos decides to charge Mac users for upgrades to the Mac program though.

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BS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 9:16 PM

I know that an upgrade to the program does not cost anything.  What I am wondering about is the additional resources that will likely be included in 4.0 Gold or whatever the naming scheme is at that point. 

In upgrading from Scholars Silver X to Gold 3.0 I will be paying money because I will be receiving new resources.  The same for upgrading from X -> 4.0 or 3.0 Gold -> 4.0.  Which upgrade path gives me more bang for my buck?

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2009 11:22 PM

Waiting for 4.0 should clearly give you more bang for your buck since you are only doing one upgrade instead of two.

However, it is only a good deal if 4.0 comes out in the near future (hopefully by ETS and SBL, a month from now). If it is pushed back to the middle of next year or later, it becomes a less attractive option since you will have to balance out getting a greater discount versus getting to use the various new resources now.

I would wait until the end of November to make a decision (if 4.0 is not out or announced by then, it will probably not come out this year ). My belief is that they planned to get it out this year; the question is whether they are on track.

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 14 2009 1:01 AM

With what we know (and don't know) I would think you would be better off upgrading now.

1. We don't know what resources will be included with the next version (and which will be lost that are currently available)

2. We don't know when it will be released.

3. We do have a pretty good idea that there will be no charge for the new engine.

 

There may be new resources to allow any new features (as there have been in the past), but the upgrade price has tended to be very reasonable to just pick up those resources.

Personally, I am glad I started using Logos when I did and have benefited from the upgrades.

My suggestion is to upgrade now, get the benefits of the current collection, and possibly do another smaller upgrade if desired when Logos 4 Gold (or whatever it will be called) is released.

You may save a bit of $ by waiting, but that is not certain since we don't know what the upgrade pricing will be, and you may miss out on any resources they drop from the collection that you would have liked. Since we don't know the pricing or the resources for the next version, I would upgrade now.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 14 2009 4:06 AM

Alain Maashe:

Waiting for 4.0 should clearly give you more bang for your buck since you are only doing one upgrade instead of two.

Historically it has not worked this way. Generally the next upgrade price is custom-calculated for what you already own. So I don't think that this is an accurate statement.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 14 2009 5:30 AM

Richard DeRuiter:

Chris Roberts:
Sometimes the engine does cost. :) The Mac engine costs.

You're right it does. Then again Mac users are used to paying more for the same functionality. [ouch! who hit me?]

I have been using the Mac since 1984 and my experience contradicts this myth.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 14 2009 8:30 AM

JackCaviness:
I have been using the Mac since 1984 and my experience contradicts this myth.

Now why should I trust experience when I have nice, juicy rumors?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 14 2009 8:53 AM

Jacob Hantla:
Generally the next upgrade price is custom-calculated for what you already own.

Careful.

This is not true at face value. It's true on a package to package upgrade. That is, if I own the Leaders Library and have not purchased other resources, and want to get the newly upgraded Leaders Library (or a higher level Library), the price you pay will be customized to reflect your current Leaders Library ownership. However, if you have been buying additional resources since your purchase of the boxed set, and those resources are part of that upgraded set, or the higher level set you want to buy, that part of what I own may not be calculated into your upgrade price. This has been the case in the past, and it's caused some frustration on the part of some Logos users.

The reason for this, we have been told, is that Logos has to negotiate these upgrade deals with multiple publishers and may only offer them as package deals. That's how the upgrade price breaks are negotiated. Typically, the price break is significant enough that even if you already own several of the resources that have now become part of the upgraded package you want, you still come out ahead (but not always). Besides, you've been using and benefiting from those resources ever since you bought them - that's worth something too.

However, in answer to the specific question of this thread, about buying Scholar's Gold now or waiting for any new offerings in a Scholar's Gold upgrade package in the future, your answer applies. If you bought Scholars Gold today, and Libronix released an upgraded Scholar's Gold, or a Scholars Platinum (or some new ultimate collection) tomorrow, you'd probably still come out ahead. Obviously, there's no way to prove that. All we can go on is what's been true in the past.

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