Bug: WITHIN xx WORDS search doesn't work for untranslated words

Page 1 of 1 (5 items)
This post has 4 Replies | 0 Followers

Posts 24915
Forum MVP
Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2010 3:39 AM | Locked

As per the discussion in http://community.logos.com/forums/t/25291.aspx it seems that the WITHIN xxx WORDS search syntax doesn't find words when conducting an original language search within a Bible with RI where at least one of the original language words are not translated.

Graham

Posts 4077
Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2010 8:55 AM | Locked

We'll look into this. Thank you.

Follow up:  I tried your search as νυνὶ WITHIN 1 word δὲ in just the LogosNA27, and got 32 results in 16 verses, as you did. I then added the NIV and results were included for each verse (see screenshot). Is this what you were trying to accomplish, or am I missing something critical? 

Posts 9140
LogosEmployee
Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2010 3:06 PM | Locked

The "WITHINWORD" operator acts on the words as defined by the visible (surface) text in the resource being searched. In a reverse interlinear, hits for Greek words are associated with the corresponding English word, and then WITHINWORD is processed at the English level. For this query, you will only see hits where the English words that correspond to the Greek are one word apart. If the Greek word is untranslated, you will not get a hit, because there is no English word (and thus WITHINWORD fails).

This is by design. To perform accurate Greek searching, you will have to search a Greek NT.

Posts 24915
Forum MVP
Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 30 2010 12:13 AM | Locked

Hi Melissa

What I was trying to do when adding in the NIV was to produce something which I could give to people who were interested in this. (I will be talking about the use of νυνι δε briefly in my sermon on Sunday) and looking at some of the places where it is used.

Unfortunately the NIV verses (when added in this way) don't have the search "hits" highlighted as they are in the NA27 which is why I started down the route of doing the search in the NIV and found the differences I noted.

Apologies for not making this clear initially

Thanks for looking at this

Graham

Posts 24915
Forum MVP
Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 30 2010 12:14 AM | Locked

 

Bradley Grainger:

The "WITHINWORD" operator acts on the words as defined by the visible (surface) text in the resource being searched. In a reverse interlinear, hits for Greek words are associated with the corresponding English word, and then WITHINWORD is processed at the English level. For this query, you will only see hits where the English words that correspond to the Greek are one word apart. If the Greek word is untranslated, you will not get a hit, because there is no English word (and thus WITHINWORD fails).

This is by design. To perform accurate Greek searching, you will have to search a Greek NT.

Hi Bradley

Thanks for the clear explanation - very useful

Graham

Page 1 of 1 (5 items) | RSS