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David Mills | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 12 2010 4:42 PM

I cannot get citations to appear in my notes files.  Citations appear when I copy into an external application like Word, but they do not appear in my "notes" within Logos 4.  They always appeared in my notes in Libronix, but they do not in Logos 4, and I would really like them to be there.  My note file is connected to my Bible, which is the ESV. I have "copy citations" marked in "program settings."

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 12 2010 8:11 PM

The first question is: are you creating the note on a selection or on reference? Or are you speaking of text within the body of the note?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 12 2010 9:00 PM

MJ. Smith:

The first question is: are you creating the note on a selection or on reference? Or are you speaking of text within the body of the note?

I presume it's the latter. I can reproduce this too. Select some text from anywhere in any resource. Open a Notes file. Click Add note. Ctrl+V to paste the select. There is no citation included at the bottom of it. However if you switch to Word at this point and paste the same clipboard contents there, the citation is included.

In Logos Notes file (note, no citation is pasted):

 

In Word, exactly as pasted:

Note the citation is included this time.

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David Mills | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 12 2010 9:19 PM

Yes, this is exactly what I mean.  In Libronix, the citation would also show in the notes.  I really would like the same to happen in Logos 4.

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David Mills | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 12 2010 9:29 PM

I want to make a note on a phrase in my ESV.  I highlight the phrase, right click, and select "Add note to "King David," which is my note file.  I then add my note and perhaps copy and paste something to the note from a commentary.  The citation does not appear within the body of the note, but I can go to Word and paste, and the citation will appear.  So the citation seems to be on the clipboard, but it never appears in the note.  In Libronix, it appeared in the note also. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 13 2010 10:09 AM

I can confirm this on Mac as well. I don't think we need the whole bibliographic post in a note -- that would only clutter things up -- but we do need an abbreviation of some kind, with a popup on hovering that gives us the whole name, and an automatic link to the source.

I also note that if I paste the same text into Clippings, there is no way of seeing what page it came from. In Mark's video there were automatic tags created with the page number[s ]. This does not seem to work on Mac yet.

I don't have Word, and I don't expect Logos to be adapted to my age old AppleWorks (or even older MacWrite Pro), but I'm rather disappointed to find that the citation also does not show up in Text Editor.

Personally, I would also want quotations to show up within quotation marks.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 13 2010 4:44 PM

fgh:
I can confirm this on Mac as well. I don't think we need the whole bibliographic post in a note -- that would only clutter things up -- but we do need an abbreviation of some kind, with a popup on hovering that gives us the whole name, and an automatic link to the source.

You can link a note to a specific point in any resource. Perhaps, this is what Logos intends to replace the bibliographic info in L4.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 13 2010 6:17 PM

fgh:

Personally, I would also want quotations to show up within quotation marks.

Personally, I would think it is up to the person copying/pasting to add them. If the text I'm copying has quotations within it, for example, I'd need to change the quotation marks on those to single quotes. And if I'm pasting into a place where I'm using the quote as an indented block quote, it shouldn't have quotation marks around it. I'd rather that decision be left up to the user. It's not all that hard to add quotation marks around a pasted quote.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 5:55 AM

I wasn't suggesting forcing everyone to do it my way, but how about a preference setting where we can choose quotation marks, just as we can choose whether to include citation and/or footnotes? That would also make it possible to create a shortcut and switch it on and off with a single click.

(No, it's not that hard to do once, but if you do a lot of copying, it adds up to a lot of unnecessary work. Also, if you paste something into the middle of a text, there is always the risk that you forget exactly where the quote started or ended, and end up having to go back and forth to confirm exactly where to put the quotation marks. And then there's the laziness factor... I was too lazy to add quotation marks in some notes -- they were just notes after all -- and now I wonder which of these notes were exact quotations and which were just summaries?)

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 11:26 AM

David Mills:

I cannot get citations to appear in my notes files.  Citations appear when I copy into an external application like Word, but they do not appear in my "notes" within Logos 4.  They always appeared in my notes in Libronix, but they do not in Logos 4, and I would really like them to be there.  My note file is connected to my Bible, which is the ESV. I have "copy citations" marked in "program settings."

This is unfortunate, but it is not fatal.  It is possible to open the resource then select "information" (the circled "i"), copy and paste the bibliographic information then insert the page number.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 3:17 PM

George Somsel:
It is possible to open the resource then select "information" (the circled "i"), copy and paste the bibliographic information then insert the page number.

Unfortunately, no, it is not yet possible to do that in L4. The bibliographic information in the info panel is not selectable. I reported this months ago, but it hasn't floated up to a high enough priority on their to-do list yet to fix this.

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David Mills | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 3:25 PM

What would be nice would be to have an abbreviated citation style available in the citation style menu and then have the citation appear in the note.  We could switch to another citation style when needed.

 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 3:50 PM

Rosie Perera:

George Somsel:
It is possible to open the resource then select "information" (the circled "i"), copy and paste the bibliographic information then insert the page number.

Unfortunately, no, it is not yet possible to do that in L4. The bibliographic information in the info panel is not selectable. I reported this months ago, but it hasn't floated up to a high enough priority on their to-do list yet to fix this.

Sure it is.  Just click the word "copy" next to the citation then paste it into your notes.  I know it works because I've done it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:33 PM

George Somsel:

Rosie Perera:

George Somsel:
It is possible to open the resource then select "information" (the circled "i"), copy and paste the bibliographic information then insert the page number.

Unfortunately, no, it is not yet possible to do that in L4. The bibliographic information in the info panel is not selectable. I reported this months ago, but it hasn't floated up to a high enough priority on their to-do list yet to fix this.

Sure it is.  Just click the word "copy" next to the citation then paste it into your notes.  I know it works because I've done it.

Oh, that's too easy!!  In my defense, there is no Copy button when you look at a resource's info panel from within the Library.

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