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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Nov 29 2010 5:36 PM

One of the problems that I have in Logos is how to do topics in Logos 4. I'm a youth pastor and I want to preach to the young ladies this month. I need to know how to do topic searches in Logos 4 (i.e. sexual morality, purity, self-esteem, all the things that young girls face, etc.) I have the platinum edition. How do I do searches like this in Logos 4? Also, could anyone recommend resources along the lines of these topics? 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 29 2010 9:16 PM

Idea Click magnifying glass to open search - then do a Basic search of All Text in Entire Library for sexual morality AND purity - personally found 276 article in 126 resources, including "Opening Up Proverbs" Chapter 5.

Also did a basic search for purity - topic section appeared in results.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 29 2010 11:09 PM

You need to do a search like this (but unfortunately it doesn't exist in Logos):  author-gender = female  Smile

Seriously, I remember being that age and it was not from the men in the church or books by men that I could hear any of this sort of teaching. They just didn't communicate a sense of understanding what it was like being in our skin. I remember our pastor even trying to give me some "advice like a father" about dealing with acne as a teenager, and it was very unwelcome. If there are any woman in your church who are mature in the Lord and have taught before or have a gentle ease around young people, maybe one of them can help teach these topics to the young ladies. I think the girls would feel more free to ask questions and not be embarrassed that way.

As for doing the search in Logos, just do phrase searches for those topics as you mentioned them: "sexual morality" finds quite a bit of relevant scriptural commentary and such.

There's a whole chapter on Sexual Morality in Ethics for a Brave New World.

The Hope for the Heart Biblical Counseling Library is by a woman and has volumes on Dating, Self Worth, Sexual Integrity, Teenagers, and other topics of interest to young ladies. I don't have it myself so I've only seen the sample pages, and can't independently vouch for its quality.

Searching for sex, sexuality, purity, etc. on the Logos website turns up these resources as well:

Tony Evans Speaks Out on Sexual Purity

What the Bible Says about Going Out, Marriage, and Sex

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 4:13 AM

Rosie Perera:
Seriously, I remember being that age and it was not from the men in the church or books by men that I could hear any of this sort of teaching. They just didn't communicate a sense of understanding what it was like being in our skin. I remember our pastor even trying to give me some "advice like a father" about dealing with acne as a teenager, and it was very unwelcome. If there are any woman in your church who are mature in the Lord and have taught before or have a gentle ease around young people, maybe one of them can help teach these topics to the young ladies. I think the girls would feel more free to ask questions and not be embarrassed that way

Very nicely said Rosie

My question & my pet peeve (to the larger church) is why do our conversations always have to revolve around sex? While sex is part of relationships, it is not the only things two people do together. There are lots of other things that can be discussed like abuse, self-identity within a relationships, and how our gender roles are changing and now women are no longer considered property of their father/spouse (which is a good thing if you ask me) .

Rosie Perera:
You need to do a search like this (but unfortunately it doesn't exist in Logos): author-gender = female Smile

This is because there are soooooooo few female authors in Logos.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 4:31 AM

tom collinge:
While sex is part of relationships, it is not the only things two people do together.

While I do agree with this, The world's discussion about sex does revolve around sex and the teens, especially in school, are saturated with the world's message. I don't simply mean what is taught in the classroom...that varies largely from school district to school district. We are just accustomed to hearing the stories that get us fired up one way or the other. The message teens are hearing I believe comes far more from their peers then the classroom. And by peers I include the shows they watch and music they hear as many idolize their peers on TV. It's not simply the direct messages either. The general philosophy of life today (if you want it, you deserve it) feeds the topic of relationships.

Because it is a huge focus of anti-biblical teaching they are receiving from the world it must be countered with the biblical teaching of the topic. It can't be the only thing, but it must be taught firmly.

I agree that there is a lot of wisdom in what Rosie stated. Men are better teachers as models of what girls should look for in guys. If we guys show them that its possible for a guy to be Christ-like and Christ-driven it might show them that they don't have to settle for something they consider as slightly better the scum. The instructing side of things is better received from a godly woman.

<edit> sorry I didn't keep this on target with the forum goals. zipping lips now till I have something Logos to say....

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 5:43 AM

I  can remember half a century ago that sex ranked very high in  our thinking.  I got much of my early information from an often wildly inaccurately informed room mate, and it did me not much good.  We felt cheated when a talk on "relationships" was not about "how far can we go?", but about how to get on with other people!  We did have a very helpful talk on relationships with boys from a visiting preacher who often came and whom we all loved.  But I agree, the ideal would be to get a woman to talk to the girls about what it means to become a woman.  I sometimes mention to my stroppy teenagers that we, too, have been their age, and the problem is when you want to be an adult you're treated as a child, and when you want to be a child people expect you to be an adult.  But the subject of sex is unmentionable.  As a result, a gang of little boys, some of them still in the kindergarten, stripped a little girl and tried to rape her.  After that we did stress that boys need to remember that the girls are their sisters and to love and respect them as such.

In my Scholar's library I turned up 7 titles when I searched sex.  Different by Design by MacArthur might be helpful?

If your young ladies are regular members of your congregation, you have an example of a relationship going wrong in Genesis 3  (and the man was a wimp, not doing anything to discourage his wife at whose side he was standing when she plucked the fruit, let men take note!).  And of  course in Genesis 2 you have God's will for the marriAGE RELATIONSHIP.  Very relevant here, when the bride moves in with mother in law and has to obey and try to please mother in law - or else....!

Incidentally, talking to our women about Mary's response to Gabriel's earth-shattering announcement, one of them said:  "Mary could have said:  'I'll have to ask Joseph, so come back in 2 days time and I'll let you  know'."  Our situation is very different from yours, and I'm off topic in most of this, so I'll shut up!

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 6:32 AM

Thanks guys for all of your help. This is a good starting point for what it is Im trying to do. Rosie I just picked up one of the resources you recommended and It is a great help. I tried to go on to Logos website to see what else they had along the lines of dating and self-esteem but I don't know how to look up those things. Can anyone give a hand on how to search the web site. Thanks again.  

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 7:34 AM

Jerry, this set has a book titled, "COUNSELING ADOLESCENT GIRLS" that might be helpful.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 7:56 AM

Jerry Walker:
self-esteem
This book, "Biblical Womanhood in the Home" has a section dedicated to "The Glory of Womanhood As Created By God" that might help you address the issue of esteem.

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 8:15 AM

Thanks Joe and everyone for ALL of your help! Im working now on it.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 12:00 PM

nicky crane:
I sometimes mention to my stroppy teenagers

"Stroppy"? Please define. It might be a valuable addition to my vocabulary.

Never mind! I found it in a Logos resource (Concise Oxford English Dictionary). Now, I just need an appropriate situation. Geeked

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 12:50 PM

Jerry Walker:
I tried to go on to Logos website to see what else they had along the lines of dating and self-esteem but I don't know how to look up those things. Can anyone give a hand on how to search the web site.

Type your search term(s) into the "Search" box at the top of the website and click Search. As with searching in Logos, use quotes if it is a phrase. I'm not sure how the site treats punctuation in searches, but I would consider a hyphenated word as a phrase just in case. So, for example:

 Note that with new Logos website's "faceted" searching, you can narrow the search results down by clicking one ore more categories from the left panel. These will be added to the facets list at the top. You can click the X to turn off any of the facets and widen the search again. This particular one finds only eight results so there's no need to narrow it down, but if you're searching for sex you get 43 results. So you might want to narrow it down to just Pastoral Care and Counseling books or just Practical Life books (you can't add two search facets from within the same section at the same time, so you'd have to try the first one, then remove it, and try the other one).

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 30 2010 1:22 PM

Jack Caviness:

nicky crane:
I sometimes mention to my stroppy teenagers

"Stroppy"? Please define. It might be a valuable addition to my vocabulary.

Never mind! I found it in a Logos resource (Concise Oxford English Dictionary). Now, I just need an appropriate situation. Geeked

Come to Albania and I'll introduce you to plenty of appropriate situations  Stick out tongue or even England, come to that  Wink

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 1 2010 9:47 AM

Philip Spitzer:
sorry I didn't keep this on target with the forum goals.

Truth be said, I believe that I am the one who got this post off target, and I am sorry for that.

I do agree that we agree on the topic.

I can get a little passionate when we talk about sin (sin with a lower case “s”  - the personal dimension of sin) when we do not talk about Sin (Sin with an upper case “S” - the systemic dimensions of Sin ~ racism, sexism, poverty, and . . .).

I also get a little passionate when we attempt to subjugate a group of people based on their sex, race, size of their little toe, etc..., and claim that it is "biblical teaching."

I also get a little passionate when we attempt to take something from the Bible and simply imposing it on our context, and claim that it is "biblical teaching."  This passion tends to be directly related to my other passionate issues.  To use an example from America's past, Richard Furman, President of the South Carolina Baptist Convention, wrote in his essay Treatise on Slavery, “For the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example." [“Treatise on Slavery, 1822”, Readings in Baptist History, ed. Joe Early Jr., (Nashville: B&H Academic, 2008), 82].

While I do agree we need to talk about sex, but we also must remember several things when we look at our scripture for help in this area of theology.  We need to remember in scripture:

  • Mary was a teenager when she gave birth to Jesus (Girls, and possibly boys too, were expected to marry not long after reaching puberty  ~ David Noel Freedman, The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1996, c1992). 6:948.) 
  • Women were property, and if a girl loose her virginity, her value is now diminished (Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

In today's context we need to remember that:

  • We manipulate our food supply so that it grows faster and bigger than it would naturally.  Because of this, our youth are going through puberty at an earlier age.

Because of all of this, I thought I would copy a quote from a book that I just suggested that I would like in my Logos Library.

The Christian sexual tradition uses scripture and theological tradition as supports for a code of behavior which developed out of a pre-scientific understandings of human anatomy, physiology, and reproduction, as well as out of now abandoned and discredited models of the human person and human relationships. The churches are still today teaching theological conclusions originally based in ignorance of women’s genetic contribution to offspring, ignorance of the processes of gender identity and of sexual orientation, and of the difference between them – ignorance which has allowed and supported patriarchy, misogyny, and heterosexism, the assumption that heterosexuality is normative. We are still teaching a sexual code based in fear of the body and of sexuality, in understandings of sexual virtue as the repression of bodily desires by the force of the rational will, on physicality, especially sexuality, as an obstacle to spirituality, and on women as lacking reason and only possessing the image of God through connection to men. The churches have disowned the Mosaic law’s assumption of male ownership of women and children, Luther’s understanding that women are like nails in a wall, prohibited by their nature from moving outside their domestic situation, and Aquinas’ teaching that females are misbegotten males, produced from male embryos by physical or mental debility in the father, or by moist winds off the Mediterranean. But we continue to teach most of the sexual moral code which was founded upon such thinking.

- Christine E. Gudorf, Body, Sex, and Pleasure: Reconstructing Christian Sexual Ethics  

I agree that we need to use scripture to use as our primary guild for our relationships, it cannot be use to subjugate a group of people based on their sex, race, or the size of their little toe.

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Peter Covert | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 1 2010 4:27 PM

tom collinge:
it cannot be use to subjugate a group of people based on their sex, race, or the size of their little toe.

Yes

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