SESB 4????

Mark A. Smith said:

The resources that make up SESB are fully compatible with L4. If you were to buy the boxed product it would come with the L3 engine but otherwise would be fully useful in L4.

This is not completely accurate.

In Logos 3 with SESB 3, you can actually go against the BHS/WIVU database, part of the SESB 3 package, from within Logos 3's Syntax Search. You cannot do this in Logos 4. You can browse all the resources, but to me not being able to Syntax Searches is the reason to upgrade to ver. 4 when it comes out.

Mark A. Smith said:

I don't have SESB (yet) so didn't know you could ever do that. Have you heard an explanation for why this isn't in L4?

Well my German is non-existent so it has been hard reading the German-speaking forums, but from what I have been able to glean it's just some sort of database incompatibility with their files that has to be updated for version 4 of Logos - in other words it's an issue to be updated in SESB's product not Logos. Maybe someone else with more specifics, or someone from Logos, will chime in with details...

Wyn Laidig said:

I'll never understand why they published the electronic BHS without all the notes that are in the published paper version!)  Very disappointing!

To me it looks like back when the Greek and Hebrew Bibles were first made into e-books the Bible societies only licensed part of the text, leaving off apparatuses and other marginal notes. Perhaps this was motivated by technical reasons but I suspect that the Bible societies were concerned with e-sales undercutting the print editions. By only giving us the text they force us to buy it at least twice [:(].

I don't have a paper BHQ to hand, but the TOC of my electronic BHQ is:

  General Introduction
  Allgemeine Einleitung
  Introductión General
  Figure 1: Sample of an Apparatus Entry Illustrating the Presentation of the Text Critical Cases
  Sigla, Symbols and Abbreviations
  Definitions of the Terms Used to Characterize Readings
  Glossary of Common Terms in the Masorah Parva
  Table of Accents

  Introductions to the Megilloth
  Introduction to Ezra and Nehemiah
  Introduction to Deuteronomy
  Works Cited

  Deuteronomy אלה הדברים
  Ruth רות
  Canticles שיר השירים
  Qoheleth קהלת
  Lamentations איכה
  Esther אסתר
  Ezra עזרא
  Nehemiah נחמיה

It is advertised here, they are at least taking orders to reserve a copy. Looks like Nov 15 2011 release!

One note I found:

The SESB (Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible) is the most powerful scientific Bible program in German language. The world-renowned original language editions of the Bible of the German Bible Society with the critical apparatus, and linguistic databases and tools, dictionaries, German editions of the Bible, modern Bible translations in European languages ​​and contains a lot more. In the first SESB 4.0 Logos 4 is used as a new program basis. In addition, the 4.0 SESB supplemented by additional new text editions, dictionaries and German translations of the Bible. For users of previous version 3.0, there are the expanded and improved as a cost-effective SESB 4.0 Update

I am looking forward to SESB 4.  I have SESB 3 and have used it mainly for the Greek Resources, but look forward to using the Hebrew resources more than I have.

Michiel Borkent said:

Would it be worth it to purchase a minimal crossgrade now or are the resources in it also part of the SESB 4 upgrade? I have SESB 3 and I run the Logos 4 engine currently without a base package or crossgrade (so no syntax search atm).

I suspect the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft will include things like maps, Biblical People etc. but may exclude some of the Reverse Interlinears, Lectionaries and other resources that are basically intended for the English speaking market - but I really don't know. Since there is a release date for SESB 4.0 already, I guess asking Mr. Hartmann from the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft could lead to more insight.

Forgot to mention, I also have Libronix 3 for SESB installed so I'm able to utilize everything that SESB 3.0 has to offer. Still I like the Logos 4 engine/interface a lot better and it runs a lot faster (probably due to the up front indexing of all the resources?). 

Just wondering: if I do a passage guide on (for example) Genesis 16 in Libronix, I get some parallel passage results from Synopsis of the Old Testament (Jackson). Why don't I get those in Logos 4? 

" rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus said:

Observation: Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 (52 vols.) and Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB), Version 3.0 for Logos Users (18 vols.) have many scholarly language items (and Bibles in many languages), but lack maps, Biblical People, etc.

The SESB originally was and still is meant first and foremost for academic usage in Germany and other European countries, as the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft produces some of the leading original language editions like the NTG (Nestlé-Aland), the BHS and the BHQ, so there will be no major changes there. Maybe some new translations like the German BasisBibel and the Neue Genfer Übersetzung. As Mark already mentioned, it is unlikely that the full contents of the minimal crossgrade will be there, but I guess there will be at least some resources like maps and Biblical People that take advantage of the new possibilities Logos 4 is offering.

Theolobias said:

NewbieMick said:

Just today a representative of the German Bible Society answered in the German SESB-Forum. He confirmed

- that SESB 4 as a project is dead,

- that they intend to bring something like a crossgrade to move SESB users from Libronix to L4 in summer 

- that they still see SESB as their flagship of bible study resources and will continue to work with Logos.

As always, the information given in the German forum is rather vague - but at least there really is some hope that the German Bible Society is trying to jump on the Logos 4 wagon.

I noticed today that SESB 3.0 (52 volumes) is not for sale via Logos anymore.  Does this mean SESB 4.0 is coming now?  Has there been any update since the January rumor?