Now I'm getting rather upset...
And Logos didn't know this until just now because...?
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Know what? Did the date get moved back or something?
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Yes, the release date was originally 01/31/2011.
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fgh said:
And Logos didn't know this until just now because...?
Could it be?
- They believed it would ship on the first date they listed (01/31/2011)
- After listing that date new circumstances developed making it apparent it could not ship as originally projected.
- Rather than move it back to "Under Development" Logos wanted to offer hope of a shipping date AND
- Rather than nudging it 2 days at a time into the future without knowing when it would really be ready the Logos "powers-that-be" gave the team a deadline of 02/24/2011 to complete it. (When your boss is the author of "Fire Someone Today" you tend to strive harder to please him. )
I would hate to get angry at the publishing team. You never know what unforseen personal emergency may have been a factor.Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Oldnewbie said:
Yes, the release date was originally 01/31/2011.
If they discovered an unforeseen flaw in late January, would it be better to ship a defective product or to let the shipping date slip. Logos tried the defective product route with the Learn to Use… video series. I don't think they will want to do that again.
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I think they did it for me. I've been on again and off again on this one about ten times. If they would have shipped today, I would have missed it as a prepub. Now I'm on again. Sorry to hold you all up, but thanks for waiting!
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Think of the title of that other thread: Last Chance for Catholic Dogma Collection. Now perhaps there are people who will be able to get it for the pre-pub price who would have missed out on it otherwise. The more the merrier. Spread the good cheer around instead of being grumpy that we have to wait a bit longer.
I agree with all of Matthew's suggestions as to why the slip might have happened. I used to work in software development, and there were frequently last minute things that would come up and cause us to miss a target date, by quite a lot, and we couldn't predict them in advance. If you give an artificially late predicted date up front, to give yourself a "buffer" for possible unpredicted slippage, then there isn't quite the incentive internally to work hard to make an earlier date if possible. Work expands to fill the time allotted. So you end up with getting it in just under the wire anyway, and having more possible unexpected problems causing slips. Best to try to meet an optimistic ship date and be honest when you slip, even though that makes customers upset. It's never fun being on the other side either, so try to be understanding and forgiving.
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Jack Caviness said:Oldnewbie said:
Yes, the release date was originally 01/31/2011.
If they discovered an unforeseen flaw in late January, would it be better to ship a defective product or to let the shipping date slip. Logos tried the defective product route with the Learn to Use… video series. I don't think they will want to do that again.
They did do that, didn't they? [:D] And I think they will avoid doing it again.
They have also tried bumping ship dates only a couple days at a time. And that generates a lot more ire than a huge one-time delay (such as this 30 day delay.)
There really is no good way of handling a delay. When the super-aggressive October Pre-Pub flood happened, it swamped 95% of the users.
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Matthew C Jones said:
There really is no good way of handling a delay.
Yes there is, the solution is not to publish a date until after all of the i's have been dotted and all of the t's have been crossed.
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tom collinge said:Matthew C Jones said:
There really is no good way of handling a delay.
Yes there is, the solution is not to publish a date until after all of the i's have been dotted and all of the t's have been crossed.
Well, we complained about that too. A lot.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
Well, we complained about that too. A lot.
So, it does not matter what Logos does; we are going to complain. What does that say about us?
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tom collinge said:
So, it does not matter what Logos does; we are going to complain. What does that say about us?
We haven't come very far since the days of the Israelites in the wilderness. "Are we there yet? We liked it better in L3. Yeah, searching was slow, but at least we had PBB..."
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tom collinge said:
So, it does not matter what Logos does; we are going to complain. What does that say about us?
I've thought this many many times while reading threads on the forum....
Robert Pavich
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tom collinge said:
What does that say about us?
… that we are forgiven sinners and not perfect saints? [:D] (Gal 5:22-23,NIV)
The zeitgeist is NOW!!! The Lord says, "Watch and pray."
Patience, brothers and sisters.
Every blessing
Alan
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Jack Caviness said:
You quoted me out of context. That was inside a longer quotation inside quotation marks, not my own words but a caricature of what some people around here sometimes say. It was meant as a friendly tease. Anyway, I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression and think that I like L3 better. Positively not true. I hardly ever used it. I use L4 every day.
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tom collinge said:
Yes there is, the solution is not to publish a date until after all of the i's have been dotted and all of the t's have been crossed.
Really, I wonder what happened with the initial release of the "Learn Hebrew and Greek with Logos 4". There definitely didn't appear to be any dotting or crossing on that product before it was published, the shipped product wasn't even labeled correctly.
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Rosie Perera said:
You quoted me out of context.
And I did it deliberately, knowing it was out of context. I should not have quoted you in that way. I just wanted to say that I preferred L4 to L3 even at its present state.
Forgive me, Rosie. I promise to behave myself in the future. [8-|]
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Dennis Miller said:
Really, I wonder what happened with the initial release of the "Learn Hebrew and Greek with Logos 4".
It was Logos' first attempt at that type of resource. Hopefully, they learned something that will help the next attempt to be better. I found the content to be valuable despite the faults.
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Dennis Miller said:
Really, I wonder what happened with the initial release of the "Learn Hebrew and Greek with Logos 4". There definitely didn't appear to be any dotting or crossing on that product before it was published, the shipped product wasn't even labeled correctly.
I am not saying that they are doing this, just that this would be a good solution. I have only been using Logos' products for the past four years, and during these past four years I have noticed that quality control is not Logos' strong point.
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Michael March said:
I think they did it for me. I've been on again and off again on this one about ten times. If they would have shipped today, I would have missed it as a prepub. Now I'm on again. Sorry to hold you all up, but thanks for waiting!
Guilty as well. I was hoping to get in on the pre-pub price and now I think I'll make it. From my perspective I'm not overly worried about ship dates slipping. I've got so much to learn with the material I already have I can focus on that.
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Dennis Miller said:
Really, I wonder what happened with the initial release of the "Learn Hebrew and Greek with Logos 4".
Logos probably read the rants in the forums too much and bowed to our demands.
(Sounds a little like a worldly rock anthem):
"I want it all,
I want it all.
I want it all,
and I want it NOW!"copyright 1989 by QUEEN
from the album "The Miracle"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtMELogos 7 Collectors Edition
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Understand disappointment while eagerly waiting for delivery of desired resources.
Personally Thankful for some pre-publication delays - more time to read about upcoming releases (e.g. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29474.aspx - morphology useful)
By the way, pondered a response for Matthew (imaginary Chocolate Factory). Also am Thankful for some community pricing resources that recently shipped (much to read and learn along with prayer),
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Matthew C Jones said:
(Sounds a little like a worldly rock anthem):
"I want it all,
I want it all.
I want it all,
and I want it NOW!"copyright 1989 by QUEEN
from the album "The Miracle"Sounds like we're all working ourselves up to heart attacks. Cautionary theology for the day: Patience not patients is the virtue.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Someone said "the solution is not to publish a date until after all of the i's have been dotted and all of the t's have been crossed"
the results of that might be no warning at all between "under contract" and "shipped" - as when all the t's have been dotted and all the i's crossed it gets shipped
If Logos has say thirty teams working on "books" and all teams finish on Wednesday are you ready to have your credit card hit on Thursday for all thirty books? [with no prior warning?] (Just asking - not trying to criticize the prior post just trying to think about the results of that plan)
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