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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:03 AM

Academic Video Series....does it replace going to Camp Logos I? or I and II? No news on price yet..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEgJqcelgiA&feature=uploademail

 

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:52 AM

Dominick Sela:

Academic Video Series....does it replace going to Camp Logos I? or I and II? No news on price yet..

Because you asked, Dominick, I keyed into one of the last sentences in the video on youtube.  Morris says "you, perhaps, can't get to one of our live seminars so we're bringing the training right to you"..

I don't know if that indicates the dvd's for Camp I and Camp II will be ready to purchase in the near future or something else, altogether.

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:55 AM

 

I doubt that Morris will give up the live seminars but this looks like a great supplement to those who can't/won't go to a seminar.  

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:35 AM

Joan Korte:

Because you asked, Dominick, I keyed into one of the last sentences in the video on youtube.  Morris says "you, perhaps, can't get to one of our live seminars so we're bringing the training right to you"..

 

Yes I heard that too Joan, which is why I was wondering if he really meant it as it sounded or was just a general comment that it's another training alternative.  I was wondering if this will be considered more, or less comprehensive than either/both of the Camps...

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john joyce | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:49 AM

At the recent Camp in London Morris did say the dvds were imminent and mainly to remind/reinforce the camp. Think good alternatives as well but no replacement for the fun and friends you meet at Camp!

Wonder if the DVDs will have the same commercial breaks between each sectionSmile

John

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:20 AM

Dominick Sela:
was just a general comment that it's another training alternative.

A complimentary alternative.

When I attended Camp Logos I was blown away by the new things I learned. One thing I quickly noticed was how everyone there were more than just attendees, they were participants. Don't get me wrong. none of the "students" hijacked the seminar. Morris Proctor is a wonderful teacher who listens to questions and comments and seizes the teachable moment.

My point here being there is always more to learn. A video resource is best suited for an intense focused study. The ability to review them over and over makes it the best medium for learning imho. The Logos videos  Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software  &  Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software  take advantage of this medium.  I even propose that having Camp Logos on video would be of great benefit also;  just not as a replacement for attending a live Camp Logos.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:53 AM

Dominick Sela:
Academic Video Series....does it replace going to Camp Logos I? or I and II? No news on price yet..

Given that this is marketed at seminaries, I suspect the price will be very high. Resources that are designed to be shown to the public, or used in a teaching course sometimes run into thousands of dollars. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:19 AM

Mark Barnes:
Resources that are designed to be shown to the public, or used in a teaching course sometimes run into thousands of dollars. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.

I'm afraid you are right.  It appears there is a lot of push in the corporate sales department with PROCLAIM, and now Academic training.videos.

Just when I thought Logos was becoming the software for every bible student whether or not they can abandon their surroundings and go off to seminary. I really wish Logos would continue publishing materials like  Foundation of Biblical Ministry (AM Bible Courseware)  and the  28 course books from the Berean School of the Bible. and expand their "Academic Training Videos" to include lay preachers, teaching elders and stay-at-home Bible students everywhere.

 

Mark Barnes:
Given that this is marketed at seminaries,

One more thought: If this were only intended for ivory tower seminaries, why publicize it on utube? It is like running a TV commercial offering a super sale only open to 30 year old redheads named "Jack" (fictitious example here) Everyone else feels alienated.     I'm still hoping this will be for everyone.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:24 AM

Matthew C Jones:
Just when I thought Logos was becoming the software for every bible student whether or not they can abandon their surroundings and go off to seminary. I really wish Logos would continue publishing materials like  Foundation of Biblical Ministry (AM Bible Courseware)  and the  28 course books from the Berean School of the Bible. and expand their "Academic Training Videos" to include lay preachers, teaching elders and stay-at-home Bible students everywhere.

The needs of a seminarian are going to be rather different than a lay preacher and stay-at-home Bible student. Why shouldn't various video projects reflect that reality?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:47 AM

Kevin Becker:
The needs of a seminarian are going to be rather different than a lay preacher and stay-at-home Bible student. Why shouldn't various video projects reflect that reality?

Are poor congregations less needy of well educated Pastors? While I agree a seminary education is not absolutely necessary for a Spirit-filled, Bible-believing prayer-warrior to feed God's sheep ( John 21:15-17 ), I really think it would be nice to offer them the same equipping of the saints if at all possible.

Bob Pritchett once said of the Community Pricing program, "If everybody ordered a title, it could be produced for $1."  I maintain if this new "Academic Training" video is worth it's salt it could benefit everyone. And if everyone bought it, it could be profitable at a much lower price than traditionally high-priced "academic" titles. The many successful Sheffield, T&T Clark, and Baker Academic Pre-pubs prove that theory. I got titles in the 2010 Christmas Master Collection (offered at $1 a piece) that retail for $190 each in a seminary bookstore.

I am not afraid of a housewife or deacon learning how best to make use of the Logos Bible software. In the video Morris says most people only use 5% of the features. If only seminarians can make use of the other 95% how about we defer the "commoners"  to a simpler Bible software program. You know the competition does rise to that 5% level in comparison to the capabilities of Logos.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:57 AM

Matthew C Jones:
I am not afraid of a housewife or deacon learning how best to make use of the Logos Bible software. Is there now a seminary lobbyist making sales decisions?

I don't think you're being fair. Neither the courseware books you mentioned, nor indeed these videos are produced by Logos. Even if they were, I don't think it would warrant the conclusions you've made, particularly when Logos has invested heavily in a Learn Greek/Hebrew video series which is specifically designed for those not in seminary. They're now following that up with another video with similar aims. You're pointing your gun at the wrong target, I fear.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:04 PM

Matthew C Jones:

Are poor congregations less needy of well educated Pastors? While I agree a seminary education is not absolutely necessary for a Spirit-filled, Bible-believing prayer-warrior to feed God's sheep ( John 21:15-17 ), I really think it would be nice to offer them the same equipping of the saints if at all possible.

Bob Pritchett once said of the Community Pricing program, "If everybody ordered a title, it could be produced for $1."  I maintain if this new "Academic Training" video is worth it's salt it could benefit everyone. And if everyone bought it, it could be profitable at a much lower price than traditionally high-priced "academic" titles. The many Sheffield, T&T Clark, and Baker Academic publications prove that theory. I got titles in the 2010 Christmas Master Collection (offered at $1 a piece) that retail for $190 each in a seminary bookstore.

I am not afraid of a housewife or deacon learning how best to make use of the Logos Bible software. Is there now a seminary lobbyist making sales decisions? (Reminds me of how the AMA views Doctors of Osteopathy. But I don't expect a labor union to act any differently.)

I agree, every congregation should have a well-educated pastor. What I mean is that the academic setting has many different rationales for studying the Bible. Some want to go on to write highly technical dissertations and commentaries and others want to serve in pastoral ministry. I view the offering of the different video packages as letting someone decide how "deep" they want to study the Bible and use Logos accordingly. There are parts of technical, academic work that most people will just not have time to reproduce. It's not a matter of them being less educated in Bible study but that we cannot buy or study everything. We all have to focus are time and money in some way.

I take a slightly different take from Mark on this. I expect that it will be affordable (albeit expensive) in that students are mentioned in the video as people who might want to buy the videos. I know as an undergrad it was a stretch to get Scholar's. For this video to be successful I would think they would have to make it affordable for full time students (at least for private viewing only). I suppose we'll have to wait for this to show up to know how much it will cost Smile.

A student/professor who knows how to use Logos well will be one that buys more books and encourages others to get it as well... at least that's my experience.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:12 PM

Mark Barnes:
I don't think you're being fair. Neither the courseware books you mentioned, nor indeed these videos are produced by Logos.

I guess I was confused by the fact it is publicized on the Logos Youtube channel by the authorized Logos trainer.

There are alternatives for the stay-at-home Bible students. John Fallahee should also be featured on the Logos Youtube channel as the authorized trainer for non-seminarians.

 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:25 PM

Logos wants to be aggressive in marketing to seminarians and Bible colleges. One obstacle is getting students up to speed quickly in using Logos. Many seminaries and Bible colleges might want students to use Logos but don't have the resources or feel the calling to train students in how to use it. That is where these videos come in. All the seminary of college has to do it provide a room, and a projection system. Logos provides everything else. If I were Logos I'd supply a copy of this free to every school that is on the academic pricing program. I'd likewise make copies very inexpensive for students who want their own copies.

This is an investment in a fertile market for Logos. It is good to see these are being done professionally and by someone as good at it as Mo is. Thumbs up!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 12:58 PM

Kevin Becker:
I view the offering of the different video packages as letting someone decide how "deep" they want to study the Bible and use Logos accordingly.

Are you saying that offer should only be on the table for people who can afford to go off to seminary? Several of the MVPs are not able to do that as well as 90% of the Logos user base. Why not give everyone the chance?

Kevin Becker:
It's not a matter of them being less educated in Bible study

We are not talking about content here. The promo video says this will teach users HOW TO use the features & tools of the Logos program. Is the software is too complicated for commoners to learn?

Kevin Becker:
we cannot buy or study everything. We all have to focus are time and money in some way.

Logos already offers a standing academic discount of 25% to seminary students. The best discounts for non-seminary students is 20% on the base packages. If a lay person is financially unable to leave their job and attend seminary while feeding their family, they get "rewarded" with higher base packages and told they don't need training to make best use of their investment.

Kevin Becker:
A student/professor who knows how to use Logos well will be one that buys more books and encourages others to get it as well... at least that's my experience.

I do not attend seminary. I do not buy from the Academic department. I own: Portfolio Edition, 2010 Master Collection, NICOT/NICNT, Barth, Calvin 500, Spurgeon Collection, Hermeneia, WBC, Zondervan Bundles 1&2, Anchor Yale Bible, Ultimate Archaeology Collection, works of Warfield, Carson & Lenski. Not to mention 14 + Logos t-shirts. And because I am not a seminary student I don't need to know how to make use of the other 95% of my software?

Mark A. Smith:
This is an investment in a fertile market for Logos. It is good to see these are being done professionally and by someone as good at it as Mo is. Thumbs up!

Well at least the other 90% of the user base has John Fallahee to fall back on.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 1:03 PM

Matthew,

Sorry, friend, but no-one is saying what you think they're saying. No-one is suggesting that non-seminary users shouldn't be trained in the use of Logos, or that Logos is only for seminary students, or anything close to it.

Mark

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 1:09 PM

Mark Barnes:

Matthew,

Sorry, friend, but no-one is saying what you think they're saying. No-one is suggesting that non-seminary users shouldn't be trained in the use of Logos, or that Logos is only for seminary students, or anything close to it.

Mark

 

Are you saying this will be made available to ALL Logos users?   If that is the case it should made clear in the publicity campaign.

QUESTION: Are we talking about this?    http://www.logos.com/academic/learnlogos

Or is this Morris video on youtube a NEW series of videos?

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 1:12 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Are you saying this will be made available to ALL Logos users?   If that is the case it should made clear in the publicity campaign.

Like you, I have no idea. I'm don't even think the 'publicity campaign' has started.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 2:17 PM

Matthew C Jones:

Are you saying this will be made available to ALL Logos users?   If that is the case it should made clear in the publicity campaign.

QUESTION: Are we talking about this?    http://www.logos.com/academic/learnlogos

Or is this Morris video on youtube a NEW series of videos?

I think this is a new series of videos that hasn't hit the pre-pub page yet.

The series you linked to was for Libronix.


Regarding your earlier response, I think you've miss-understood me, I'll do my best to clarify succinctly.

My point is simply this. Due to the constraints of interest or ability not everyone will want to use Logos to its fullest potential. Ideally there should be basic, intermediate, and advanced training options so that people can get from Logos what they want/need. Hopefully this academic video set will fill a need for advanced training. Those in an academic setting are more likely to want to use advanced features but they by no means have a monopoly on such things. I hope this new series is affordable for all.

If you want to hash this out more drop me an email, I'll be glad to speak in more depth.

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 3:54 PM

Something everyone should keep in mind is this: There are a growing number of seminaries and Bible departments at colleges that are requiring the purchase of Logos. Grace School of Theology in Houston, TX is one example. When students enter their program, they must purchase Logos, getting it at a discounted price.

It looks to me like this video series is intended for that market.

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