Going back on my principles (AKA Office 2007 or 2010)

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 8:49 AM | Locked

BillS:

I've inquired about those to MS friends, who tell me that while it USED to be that "charity" included churches, they're now careful to target non-religious use within charities... the charity (or use within the charity) must be related to health or human services.

If you find out differently, I'd sure like to know.

Bill, 

You are stating this correctly.  I've searched and found many such notations, but the official TECH nical SOUP channel used by Microsoft very clearly spells out the terms as stated.  A religious organization can use charity licenses to run a food pantry, but not a church.    The aforementioned (and googleable) company Richard mentioned has the best deal I've found.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 9:26 AM | Locked

Thomas Black:
A religious organization can use charity licenses to run a food pantry, but not a church.

Yep... so if a church has a ministry (discrete line item in its budget) dedicated to health & human services, that ministry can apply to MS... (have done that in a prior church). But not the church.

Thomas Black:
The aforementioned (and googleable) company Richard mentioned has the best deal I've found.

Blessings on your journey, Tom.

Thanks for all you do for us.

 

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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Kenny Larsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 1:22 PM | Locked

Seems you are right. Glad I got the academic order in for my copy whilst I'm still a student. That puts that plan for PP out, looks like the 'we had' is still a 'we have', I guess we'll head open source.

This thread possible highlights a significant issue with PBB only really being useful with MS Word....

Kenny

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 2:43 PM | Locked

Well, its not that PBB needs Word. It just needs the right format file, mostly made by Word. I can't see why Logos could not also add a few more types of tags for the portions that Word creates, so the document could be submitted in plain text. Then anyone could use any wp tool they liked as long as they manually added all the tags, or passed it thru a comversion phase before feeding it to Logos PBB. Maybe not a great UI, but making it possible for those that don't have, can't afford or can't run a recent Microsoft Word. Given that the PBB engine is already scanning for special manualy created tags just add a few more, and leave it to the users to support any toolsets for file conversions from various editors. But as I have full Word 2007 and Home Word 2010, I have the direct methods. But I dont see myself making every resources I wish to read. This works best if others are doing documents they have access to, or are writing things that can be said, and sharing or selling to others.

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2011 10:48 PM | Locked

Word 2010 does correct a number of mistakes with regards to the rendering of Greek, Hebrew and Syriac and does a significantly better job of supporting some of the newer Unicode scripts that use more than 2 bytes per character, such as Ugaritic. So if your needs include working with ancient scripts, there's good reason to go with the latest version.

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James W Bennett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 5:44 AM | Locked

Vincent Setterholm:

Word 2010 does correct a number of mistakes with regards to the rendering of Greek, Hebrew and Syriac and does a significantly better job of supporting some of the newer Unicode scripts that use more than 2 bytes per character, such as Ugaritic. So if your needs include working with ancient scripts, there's good reason to go with the latest version.

Now if we can just get proper rendering of Syriac within L4 (e.g. .NET4). Oops, that was OT, I'll take that over to a different thread Smile

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James W Bennett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 5:49 AM | Locked

With all of the mangling that Word seems to do to the OpenXML format, wouldn't it make more sense to have PBB just read OpenXML standard compliant files and let users either create OpenXML files directly or through well behaved XML based editors rather than forcing the use of .docx files?

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 7:22 AM | Locked

James W Bennett:
With all of the mangling that Word seems to do to the OpenXML format, wouldn't it make more sense to have PBB just read OpenXML

I must confess that I'm not convinced about the implementation of PBB with docx so far. If it was felt to be more convenient for (Windows) users its use of XML seems to have caught Logos unaware. The use of OpenXML may not be straightforward for the average user, but could be more viable for Mac users? So I would envisage it as an alternative to docx.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 7:39 AM | Locked

Thomas Black:
Helpful?
 Incredibly helpful brother.  I'm grateful again for the feedback.
Ron Keyston Jr:
I haven't seen anyone have that problem with 2010, since all the applications now have a brightly colored "File" tab.
 This is something of a moot question but, is that due to better design...or increasing familiarity with the ribbon interface?
Ron Keyston Jr:
Given the choice, I'd always choose 2010 over 2007 (think of 2010 as 2007 SR-1)...but it is hard to argue with free.
  

For me the ribbon has absolutely no influence since I kill the ribbon.  I don't need more garbage to take up space on the screen. I think the ribbon is a huge mistake.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 7:42 AM | Locked

The more options and variations that Logos supports, the longer and costlier it is to build. The many with Word 2007-2010 can already save .docx natively. Everyone else had a number of free options: LibreOffice, NeoOffice, Office Live and ZoHo, all of which (apart from Neo) work across multiple platforms. Given this support, in my opinion, it would be foolish for Logos to waste development time supporting multiple formats.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 10:34 AM | Locked

One advantage with Word, with macros and the underlying Visual Basic programming capability in Word giving untold flexibility in customization, I have been anticipating some ways to make PBB creation much easier through Word Addons. It's premature to start or finalize any thoughts on this yet as things are too fluid in what PBB offers, tags, functions, its own UI, etc. But in my mind it's totally reasonable, and anticipated, that a library of Word Addons shared by users will make PBB creation much easier over time.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 12:25 PM | Locked

Dominick Sela:

One advantage with Word, with macros and the underlying Visual Basic programming capability in Word giving untold flexibility in customization, I have been anticipating some ways to make PBB creation much easier through Word Addons. It's premature to start or finalize any thoughts on this yet as things are too fluid in what PBB offers, tags, functions, its own UI, etc. But in my mind it's totally reasonable, and anticipated, that a library of Word Addons shared by users will make PBB creation much easier over time.

You are, of course, speaking only for the Windows side of things here. MS Word 2008 for Mac killed Macros. Don't know if they were added back for 2011. Any right-to-left text handling will require Mac users to acquire and learn yet another second-rate Word Processor. For us, the decision to tie PBB to MS did not make things easier.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 7:13 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
You are, of course, speaking only for the Windows side of things here. MS Word 2008 for Mac killed Macros. Don't know if they were added back for 2011. Any right-to-left text handling will require Mac users to acquire and learn yet another second-rate Word Processor. For us, the decision to tie PBB to MS did not make things easier.

Actually, Word for Mac 2011 brought back macros and the underlying Visual Basic infrastructure I am referring to.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2011 2:32 AM | Locked

Dominick Sela:
Actually, Word for Mac 2011 brought back macros and the underlying Visual Basic infrastructure I am referring to.

Well, that is one plus. I knew MS promised to bring macros back after the uproar over removing them in 2008. Perhaps I need to take a look, even though it still will not handle right-to-left.

MS Word has remained my word processor of choice since version 1.1. It has been a long love-hate relationship. Geeked

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2011 9:15 AM | Locked

Ugghh.  Change is hard.  

I can see this is going to be a learning curve.  Following the tip from Richard I've secured a dazzling new copy of Office 2010 pro complete with every whizbang they offer - for a great price.  (Thanks again Richard).

I appreciate all the feedback I've received from each of you as I began this thinking and transition.  The transition part still remains.  

I am so used to doing things the OpenOffice way that I can see I'm actually going to have to watch some of the MS video's on using Word.  Blah blah blah.

 

Well there's nothing for it. Here I go.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2011 10:11 AM | Locked

Thomas Black:
Ugghh.  Change is hard.  

Tell me about it. One of the hardest things for me to get used to is the concept of styles, and that of compartmentalized text. It makes sense from an XML perspective, but not from a flow of thought perspective (which I love about WordPerfect). I realize for some things I'll just have to get used to the way Word does it, for other things I'll have to find work-arounds to do what I want to do. (I find it very frustrating (e.g.), that you can't have something left & right justified on the same line; you have to use special tabs instead of something simple - AAARRRRG!)

BTW, Rosie was very gracious in answering some of my initial questions. You might want to send her an email and see if she's just as gracious with you.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 15 2011 12:15 PM | Locked

Thomas Black:
I am so used to doing things the OpenOffice way that I can see I'm actually going to have to watch some of the MS video's on using Word.

The transition to 2007/10 is not as hard as it first appears. There's a nice internal logic for almost everything, and the interface is really very good. I'm sure it won't take long. (And don't forget the help file when you can't find where a particular menu-item has now been placed.)

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 15 2011 1:48 PM | Locked

Given that I've spent the last three hours on tech support to attempt a correction with skydrive saving, I'm less impressed than I could be.

Next up: level two support call tomorrow.  (sigh)  For now, sermon study.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2011 3:47 PM | Locked

Thomas Black:
skydrive saving

Hi Tom,

How are you using Skydrive?

Blessings!

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2011 4:15 PM | Locked

At the moment I'm not.  

Kidding.

I've been syncing my documents with it, and now I've discovered that in 2010 we can save directly to skydrive.  If we do that in a public folder than we could have multiple word 2010 users working on the same document even simultaneously.

So all my wrestlings to get it to work at the moment are looking towards the potential release of PBB and the potential of crafting very large projects (or small ones) in community.

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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