Bug: PB not putting words in correct sequence

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Tes | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 30 2011 10:05 AM

I have built some PBs for Bibles in different languages Amharic & Tigrinya. Since Sr-4 came out the PB compiler changes the order of the words.

Sample file: 6470.Amharic Genesis.docx

 

Image of SR4 build of my Amharic Genesis

1. Please notice the type is Bible, the language is Amharic, the file is the sample (attached above file) and the L4 version is SR4. Verse 10 has the words out of order.

 

2. The above image shows the same file and settings for the PB, but is done using SR3. Notice verse 10 has the words in the correct order.

This is happening to many verses in my PB (examine other verse between the 2 images). It is happening to all the other docx files in this PB (not shown in the example images) and in my other Bible using Tigrinya. Both images used the exact same file and the file had not been opened or changed between PB builds.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 30 2011 10:35 AM

Tes, 

given that (according to the release note) the SR4 was about fixing some PB bug where RTL languages showed up in the wrong order, it seems to me that someone "overengineered " this and the PB compiler tries to correct an error that wasn't there in the firstplace. 

Hopefully the developers get this solved. I sometimes wonder why the SR's are not beta tested or capable of manual rollback - they just go into the productively installed base and whoever has automatic update installed will receive the SR without a chance to go back to the last stable release if it was buggy.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 12:32 PM

Bump

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:22 PM

Tes:
I have built some PBs for Bibles in different languages Amharic & Tigrinya. Since Sr-4 came out the PB compiler changes the order of the words.

I'm working on a PB of an old Greek commentary.  I am placing the text in tables for reasons I won't go into now.  At the end of the sections of the commentary there is a cross.  In some of the sections the cross appears in its proper place.  In some the cross migrates to the beginning of the table section.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 4:08 AM

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 4:35 AM

Tes:

Bump

Tes,

Logos have told us elsewhere that there is a PB regression problem with SR-4, but I agree that you should get a response to ensure this issue is also recognised.

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 11:55 AM

Yes this is a different twist on the SR4 problems. It is scrambling word order erratically. It would be good if Logos would send this info to the Developers so they could add it to the list of issues with SR4.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 5:32 PM

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 11:02 PM

Wonder if Logos 4.3 SR-5 (released several hours ago) fixes Personal Books bug ?

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 10:39 AM

Bump

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 10:57 AM

Tes - did 4.3 sr 5  fix it for you, or is it still a problem?

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 11:09 AM

DominicM:

Tes - did 4.3 sr 5  fix it for you, or is it still a problem?

Hi, DominicM, only a small part ot it. which has not been included here is fixed.I am sad Logos has ignored my request.

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 2:19 PM

Tes:
Since Sr-4 came out the PB compiler changes the order of the words.

  1. Is the Amharic language a right-to-left language? 
  2. Is the word order of verses that are on one line correct?
  3. If you expand the width of the personal book panel, so that verses that were on two lines are on one line, are the words now in the correct order?
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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 2:44 PM

Melissa Snyder:
Is the Amharic language a right-to-left language? 

no.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 5 2011 3:48 PM

Thank you Melissa for the response.

1. No, it is like English from left to right.

2.No, they are disorder

3.No, still disorder.

A new problem with the latest update: some words at the end of the verse are disappearing.

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 6 2011 8:26 AM

Tes:

Thank you Melissa for the response.

1. No, it is like English from left to right.

2.No, they are disorder

3.No, still disorder.

A new problem with the latest update: some words at the end of the verse are disappearing.

Thank you for the additional information. I've submitted your report and document to development.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 6 2011 1:17 PM

Thank You Melissa!

 

After more in depth checking I have found more problems which might assist the developers.

Another Sample file (one built Sept 11, 2011): 8637.Amharic 1 Cor.docx

 

My friend who has SR-3 copied the above sample file (without changing or opening in Word) and built it so that we could compare how my original files worked prior to SR-4 or SR-5. Notice that SR-3 builds the file properly as compared to SR-5 which is now on my computer.

He also found that on my computer if the Justification is toggled the word order changes. This also happens when opening or closing the Table Of Contents for that test document. And it also happens when you change the pane's size. Please notice the images below.

Changes within the SR-5 PB when Justification or TOC are changed

 

Changes within the SR-5 PB when Pane size is changed


PS: the word order on SR-3 does not change with Justification/TOC/Pane_size.

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 6 2011 1:28 PM

Tes:

After more in depth checking I have found more problems which might assist the developers.

Thank you.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 7 2011 8:18 AM

Melissa,

I have encountered another problem with disordered sequence.  Previously I could enter a note then back up to insert some Hebrew in the middle of the note (It didn't work to attempt to type in sequence since then everything after the Hebrew appeared in R—>L sequence).  Today I attempted to add to a previously created note and insert some Hebrew only to find that it didn't work as previously — everything became disorganized.

george
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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 7 2011 8:24 AM

George Somsel:

Melissa,

I have encountered another problem with disordered sequence.  Previously I could enter a note then back up to insert some Hebrew in the middle of the note (It didn't work to attempt to type in sequence since then everything after the Hebrew appeared in R—>L sequence).  Today I attempted to add to a previously created note and insert some Hebrew only to find that it didn't work as previously — everything became disorganized.

I'll let the developer working on this know. Thank you.

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