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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 4:06 PM

I tried emailing the Logos sales department and they just told me that I could no longer get the sentence diagramming add on individually. Does anyone know which L5 base package would come with it (preferably info on the lowest base package that does include the sentence diagramming feature. (Minimal Crossgrade?). 

Also, does anyone have any info on whether this feature can scroll along with an open Bible with scripture tagging? If not, has anyone had any experience making their own personal book of Arcs that does this? How would one do something like this in MS Word?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 12:06 AM

Liam Walsh:
told me that I could no longer get the sentence diagramming add on individually

My theory, since this is a function of the software that only requires bibles, is that it would be available with Starter, Min Crossgrade or the cheaper Core Datasets.

Logos don't make this information easy to find, so they would need to confirm that if other users can't.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 1:02 AM

I'm fairly certain it is in the basic software since L4. What version do you currently have? If L4 or L5, have you looked for it in the Documents tab? If you don't know that's where it is it is easy to miss.

I don't believe one can get it to scroll along. I don't know if anyone has tried it as a Personal Book. I would think that with the correct tagging and resource type that it would be possible.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 7:20 AM

Yep. I don't know where I got sentence diagramming, but for sure I'd never have guessed it be under 'File New'.   Who'd have thought.  This is Libronix, by the way.  I was also surprised what else was there.


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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:02 AM

I checked, It's not under "file new" and I don't have a documents tab. I have the L4 Leader's Library, so I don't have a lot of the special tools. I followed up with Logos and they told me that the sentence diagramming tool can only be purchased as part of the Bronze L5 Base Package and up. Considering...    but I can't really swing it right now.

Has anyone tried to use an outside program and import it into word to make a personal book? What I would like to eventually do is work on each book of the NT and create a PB that would scroll along with a commentary or Bible (and I don't think the sentence diagramming tool has this ability anyway). So ideally I would like to find a way to graph this out with another program (or in Word itself) and then import it to word for a PB. The trick would be getting a program that can import to word, and then also not get all jumbled in the transition from word to Logos (graphs normally do). Any ideas?...

Thanks for the help all-

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:11 AM

Liam,

I do all my arcing in excel. I use cell borders to create the actual arcs. I find it a very quick way to arc, and it is easy to insert and remove rows as I make mistakes. I have been doing it this way for quite a few years now. I don't know whether it would import nicely into word or not, but it might be worth a try.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:15 AM

I am pretty sure it should be in the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade, which probably wouldn't cost you much, given that you have most of what's included.

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DavidS | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:17 AM

I did this with the diagramming tool in Logos 5 (4 would work also.); is this what you are talking about with arcing.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2013 1:11 PM

Here is a good example of arcing from this video on vimeo-

http://vimeo.com/44683332

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 3 2013 12:16 AM

Thanks for all the responses everyone, I checked into the L4 minimal crossgrade and it does include the sentence diagramming feature. $21 beats the price of the L5 Bronze! Thanks for the heads up fgh! DavidS the arcing i'm talking about is on the second page of this post. David P., I'll have to check out excel and try it. I'm still trying to visualize how you use it. Is there any chance you can post a screen shot?

Thanks again.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 3 2013 4:12 AM

Liam Walsh:
$21 beats the price of the L5 Bronze!

It does. Glad it worked out for you. But it's very disappointing that Logos' sales reps keep telling people they have to pay hundreds of dollars more than necessary.

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2013 12:02 PM

Here's a screen shot of an excel workbook. You can see I have the cell border tools (circled in red) in the quick access tool bar so I can quickly add borders. I also have the add row and column functions there as well.

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David, 

Thanks a lot for the illustration! I started my own method similar to this:

Now the only question is how to best import this into Word for a personal book... I tried taking a screen shot but it ends up extremely small when put into logos format (even when I increase the size of the pic in excel) and I also tried stretching and enlarging the pic but then it ends up blurry. I also tried to copy and then paste into word, but when pasted to word, all the cells become reshaped to the size of whatever text is in the cell, making the whole chart seem out of proportion, some parts reallly large, and some small. It would be great if I could get it into Logos and get it to look the same as it does here in excel! 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 10 2013 12:30 PM

For some reason I can't post the screen shot to the forum. You can click on the link if you want to see it. Sorry.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 10 2013 3:25 PM

Liam Walsh:
Now the only question is how to best import this into Word for a personal book

You might try installing BullZip PDF printer. Experiment with different output options. You can probably Print to the BullZip printer, change the format from PDF to PNG, and then insert that into your document. I have not tested it myself...

 

BullZip http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2013 2:36 PM

Andy Evans:
I have tried using the visual filters to highlight prepositions

Hey Andy, I made this Visual Filter with help from KS4J a while back and it helps a ton when actually working through an arc. I'm no expert at arcing but this VF actually inserts a return into the text of your Bible and puts up a marker for causal, explanitory, contrastive, and inferential conjunctions. The result is very similar to the HDNT (not quite as nice of course) and sets out all of these conjunctions onto their own separate line. It also contains markers for other conjunctions that are less prominent for arcing without separating them onto a new line. I posted it to this Faithlife group that I created dedicated to Arcing:https://faithlife.com/arcing/activity. Feel free to join the group and just click on the Document Tab and get the filter. (I think it only works for L5 - so if you don't have it you should download the free version of L5!)

Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 9 2013 1:12 AM

Liam Walsh:
Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!

Hi Liam,

Thanks so much for this. I look forward to trying out the visual filters.

Very much appreciated.

Andy

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 22 2013 2:03 PM

Liam Walsh:

Andy Evans:
I have tried using the visual filters to highlight prepositions

Hey Andy, I made this Visual Filter with help from KS4J a while back and it helps a ton when actually working through an arc. I'm no expert at arcing but this VF actually inserts a return into the text of your Bible and puts up a marker for causal, explanitory, contrastive, and inferential conjunctions. The result is very similar to the HDNT (not quite as nice of course) and sets out all of these conjunctions onto their own separate line. It also contains markers for other conjunctions that are less prominent for arcing without separating them onto a new line. I posted it to this Faithlife group that I created dedicated to Arcing:https://faithlife.com/arcing/activity. Feel free to join the group and just click on the Document Tab and get the filter. (I think it only works for L5 - so if you don't have it you should download the free version of L5!)

Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!

Ok, I would like to do the same here in Hebrew for the OT. The problem is, that the Hebrew morphologies that I have do not have conjunctions like the greek. There is not an option for causal, inferance, explative etc. I have no idea how Hebrew works so I'm not sure if such a thing is possible. Does anyone who is familiar with the Hebrew have any pointers?

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Ken F Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 11 2014 4:33 PM

davidphillips,  Nice.  Very imaginative use of spreadsheets.

Yours inspired me to try arcing using freeware (and multi-platform) mind mapper, Freeplane.

I tried to step through the process in a book recommended in this thread, using 1 Timothy 6.1-2. The mindmap look is close enough for me.  (see below)

This technique has what I see as an advantage -- being able to put notes on the right of the verse as well as arcing on the left. You can fold notes out of the way to see only the arcing and verses. I've included a little bogus notes sample to the right of 2a.

Freeplane lets you enhance arcing by using colors and/or icons. I created the "S..." (for series) and "G" (for ground) as well as the Greek 'a' (for lexicon info). The other icons come standard with FP.  It is pretty simple to add icons and colors to a map.

So far, this is the only passage I've tried.  I found myself having to think in Freeplane as well as in arcing. But I found the arcing site to be similar and I never got used to those mechanics.  I think I could get used to this a lot easier than the arcing site.  I've been using Freeplane for a while but just never tried it for arcing.  As they say, your mileage may vary.

This has the disadvantage of not being inside Logos. Of course, you can link back to Logos as you can in any program that lets you use hyperlinks.

  

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Andy Devine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 8 2015 3:57 PM

I know this is an older post, but I am so EXCITED to have found this out about being able to use arcing in LOGOS with the diagramming tool!!! I am still in the early learning stages of learning it from the main site, but I didn't want to keep secondary subscription in order to be able to arc on my MAC. :)

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