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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012 2:52 PM

Logos 4.5 Release Candidate 1 is now available for testing. It should be released via automatic updates within the next two weeks, but you can install it now if you'd like to see what's new and improved.

The biggest change is that Notes and Highlighting have been unified. Each highlight is now backed by a note in one of your Notes Documents; from there you can change the highlighting style, add or remove the icon that shows next to the highlight in the resource, and even add textual notes to that highlight in your Notes Document. When you upgrade, you'll get new Notes Documents for your existing highlights (one per highlighting palette); you can now turn sets of highlights on or off by (un)checking that Notes Document in the visual filter menu for a resource. Logos 4.5 will also sync notes and highlights with the upcoming v2.0 of the iOS app (keep an eye on the iPhone/iPad forum for an announcement of when that's available in the App Store).

We've also improved Personal Book Builder and added the ability to print footnotes (at the bottom of a page) when printing a Logos resource.

The full release notes are here: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4.5

To install the RC, download and run this installer: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe. (You won't be added permanently to the beta program; this will only install the current Release Candidate.)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 5:10 PM

Bradley

Thanks for the detailed changes and cautions in Release Notes.

Can you expand on the implications of the 'Sync Check' command, though  i.e. if a user has extensive notes and highlighting how long will this check take? What does one do if sync errors are reported? Why would I want to perform this command anyway?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 5:17 PM

Hi Dave,

I tried to run update (from last beta) & it told me I was up to date... if you already have last beta, you're already on it. :-)

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 5:33 PM

I'd like to better understand how Legacy Highlighting will be converted to Notes and what I can then do.

It seems clear to me from Bradley's linked info that when I get 4.5, it will build several new Notes files--one for each highlighting pallet that I have in Logos (I currently have a total of six).  Then, every highlight anywhere will get recorded line by line in the note file for which that style was associated (by "host" pallet).

 

What isn't clear is if in the future I will instead want any highlighting in a given document (regardless of pallet) to be written to a Notes file for that document--which would probably only include the highlighting (i.e., not any textual notes that I would also be creating for just that document).

- And if I do want to work this way, is there some "easy" way to drag and drop the "converted" highlights from their pallet-named files into the notes file that I would create for that document (i.e., not also dragging over highlights that are applied in other documents too)?  I certainly don't want to have to manually re-create all my highlights.

- I recall reading that there is an option I can change from the default of "store highlights in a notes file named after their pallet" to a different option, which I think was something like "store highlights in the last used Notes file."

  -- The way I currently use Notes files is that I use several: one for Notable Quotes, one for Biblical Points to Ponder, Things to Remember, Cross-Refs--these are all used for any resource--and then usually a note file that is probably oriented to the specific resources I am reading, and potentially also a task--i.e., prepping a lesson plan based on the resource.  Therefore, in my use case I am constantly putting notes in various files while working in a resource--and highlighting.  Given this use case, am I going to wind up with highlights all over the place (i.e., becoming inserted into whatever Notes file I last gave focus to)?  Will there be an option to force notes for that resource to just to to a specific Notes file of my choosing?

I have a laptop and a couple desktops, that I keep reasonably sync'd.  I suspect I should only run the upgrade on one computer at a time--but when I run it on the second computer, will it create duplicate highlights (i.e., as it converts the local instance of highlights in addition to downloading the "new" Notes files created when converting the first computer?)  Rinse/repeat for the laptop... ?

I'd really like to get a better understanding before I convert to the new system. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 6:17 PM

I can't answer all of your questions, but I will try to answer some as best as I can.

Ward Walker:
is there some "easy" way to drag and drop the "converted" highlights from their pallet-named files into the notes file that I would create for that document (i.e., not also dragging over highlights that are applied in other documents too)?  I certainly don't want to have to manually re-create all my highlights.

You can drag & drop each note (which represents a highlight) into a new/different note file. If you like to highlight as much as I do, you will likely have a VERY large note file for each pallet you have used. I really only used one pallet, so my note file was particularly large. It took me 4+ hours to move highlights into book specific note files. I don't know if this is necessary or not, but I was trying to trouble shoot something and thought it would be a good idea. 

Ward Walker:
Will there be an option to force notes for that resource to just to to a specific Notes file of my choosing?

You can set highlights from a pallet to go: 1) into the last used note file 2) a pallet specific note file or 3) the note file of your choosing.

Ward Walker:
when I run it on the second computer, will it create duplicate highlights

That is a REALLY good question. I haven't heard of any problems so far, but you never know.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 6:39 PM

Ward,

As Alabama24 said, you can direct all highlights in a palette to a specific note file. If you later change this setting, those highlights already recored in the previous file will not be moved.

You cannot link a palette to a resource directly. You can probably come up with a work-around (multiple palettes, for example) but you'd have to keep selecting the 'correct' palette or keep changing the name of the note file to record your highlights in back in the palette you are using. So it will be a challenge.

You won't be any worse off than you are now no matter where the highlights are stored since they aren't stored at all right now. Some of us will ignore the whole thing until we see a real use for this merging.

Alabama24 said you can drag and drop highlights between note files. Correct. You can, however, only drag one at a time by dragging the note color box to the left of the note title. That will take awhile.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 6:43 PM

Ward Walker:
- And if I do want to work this way, is there some "easy" way to drag and drop the "converted" highlights from their pallet-named files into the notes file that I would create for that document

I had asked for options to be available for the migration to partially avoid this, and there is no easy way to move highlighting from one file to another! Logos should document this in the Release Notes.

Ward Walker:
- I recall reading that there is an option I can change from the default of "store highlights in a notes file named after their pallet" to a different option, which I think was something like "store highlights in the last used Notes file."

Yes.

Ward Walker:
Given this use case, am I going to wind up with highlights all over the place (i.e., becoming inserted into whatever Notes file I last gave focus to)?  Will there be an option to force notes for that resource to just to to a specific Notes file of my choosing?

Yes, on the Palette menu for Highlighting. But on the right-click menu in the resource you can choose from open Note files only (as per v4.3 for annotations).

Ward Walker:
 I suspect I should only run the upgrade on one computer at a time--but when I run it on the second computer, will it create duplicate highlights

Yes to one at a time. It should not create dupes as the new sync system was designed to eliminate v4.3 issues like this.

 

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 6:52 PM

Alabama & Mark, Tks for the answers

  From your descriptions, it sounds like I'm going to operate with the pallet Notes instead of resource-specific Notes [for highlights].  Without an automated way to drag/drop all of the highlights (by resource) into a new notes file, I can't see myself ever doing that manually one-at-a-time...I've been highlighting like mad for years.  I just hope that these super-huge pallet Notes files won't become a hindrance to Logos performance as they continue to grow.  [I am seeing huge performance issues today in highlights being displayed after I apply them in my ESV, as noted in other threads]

  I suppose this also means I'll not be able to "share" highlights for a resource with other Logos users (i.e., a class I teach) [since all highlights will be intermixed in pallet files].

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 7:15 PM

Ward, you can create and use a highlighting/notes file for a specific resource. It will just require that you remember to open the note file and select the highlighting to be saved in the most recently opened note file. Alternatively you can create a few similar or identical palettes and just give them the name of your resource and direct highlights to the note file associated with that resource and then you don't have to remember to open that note file when you highlight in that resource.

What this will do is save you from highlighting something and also separately connecting a note file to the word or passage highlighted. It can be done in one move. There is just a bit of 'administrative' overhead involved.

I don't use notes much, but do highlight. I probably won't take advantage of this new functionality, but time will tell.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 7:32 PM

Mark Smith:

Ward, you can create and use a highlighting/notes file for a specific resource. It will just require that you remember to open the note file and select the highlighting to be saved in the most recently opened note file. ...

Mark,

  In my use case, I commonly work with multiple Notes files when in a resource--if I can only alternately choose "use the most recent Notes file", then I'll wind up with highlights all over the place, in Notes files that I don't want highlights in.  For example, I might be highlighting and realize that I'm on a verse that I want to memorize, so I select the verse reference and tell the right click menu to create a Note for that reference in a Note file called "Memorize These"--since this action will make Logos think I now also want highlights to go into "Memorize These" Notes.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 19 2012 7:44 PM

Ward,

When you see it and try it out you may find a good work around, but if not, then you will of course choose to store the highlights in the palette-specific note file.

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Dave Hooton:

Can you expand on the implications of the 'Sync Check' command, though  i.e. if a user has extensive notes and highlighting how long will this check take? What does one do if sync errors are reported? Why would I want to perform this command anyway?

You would run this if instructed to by a developer or Customer Support (e.g., if you had called in because your app was showing a "broken" sync icon). We would then analyse the log files it generates, compare against the sync DB (if necessary) and determine how to proceed.

If you have a lot of notes and highlights, this command could take a long time (and use a lot of bandwidth). We documented it for completeness, but don't intend it to be used unless tech support recommends it.

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Ward Walker:

I suspect I should only run the upgrade on one computer at a time--but when I run it on the second computer, will it create duplicate highlights

First, make sure both 4.3 computers are synced, so you know they each have the same data.

When you upgrade each computer from 4.3 to 4.5, they'll each convert your 4.3 highlights into 4.5 "notes". This conversion is performed in a predictable way, so that when your second computer connects to the sync server, it will see that all the converted highlights are already synced, and it will mark itself as up-to-date (without creating any duplicates).

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 22 2012 6:52 PM

Bradley Grainger:
We've also improved Personal Book Builder

It seems to me the PBs now compile a good bit faster. My imagination, maybe?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 22 2012 9:56 PM

Robert M. Warren:
It seems to me the PBs now compile a good bit faster. My imagination, maybe?

My small one seems to compile faster,  but more importantly more reliably (without the “Build failed – Could not remove existing resource” message).

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