Better organization in PG

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toughski | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012 2:10 PM

As I study a passage, I run a PG that reports all hits found in resources that I consider Non-Versified Commentaries. However, the same section of 1 resource gets so many hits that it drowns out other hits.

is there a way to group hits by resource? It would produce a MUCH cleaner and usable report.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 3:38 PM

Not in PG that I know of, but you can do a Search for <1 Corinthians 14> and sort results By Title to accomplish what you're wanting to do, and select mytag:CommNon as the collection to search within. For example, I have a tag for 1 Volume Commentaries, so I could do this:

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 3:54 PM

As Rosie points out, search is the only way to do this. Currently the PG performs a ranked search, using the criteria Rosie describes (compare the two - they'll be identical). That said, the results you're showing don't look right to me, and perhaps point to a problem in the resource. You should only get one result from each section, regardless of how many hits are in that section. Running a ranked search will give the same results with a bit more info, which may help you to understand what's going on.

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 4:54 PM

Mark Barnes:

As Rosie points out, search is the only way to do this. Currently the PG performs a ranked search, using the criteria Rosie describes (compare the two - they'll be identical). That said, the results you're showing don't look right to me, and perhaps point to a problem in the resource. You should only get one result from each section, regardless of how many hits are in that section. Running a ranked search will give the same results with a bit more info, which may help you to understand what's going on.

this "problem" is seen not just in this resource.  In another section of my PG I ran the report among my Critical Commentaries

I have many such resources that obscure the report

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 5:05 PM

Personally living and learning that the monograph resource "Vine, W. E. (1996). Collected writings of W.E. Vine. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson." has no indexes with three searchable text fields (Footnote, Large, Surface).   A Basic search for 1 Corinthians 14 verses in this resource finds 256 results in various segments:

Appears VINECOLL.lbxlls resource (LLS:42.110.22) was last updated almost 10 years ago: 2002-08-08T19:04:44Z

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 5:50 PM

toughski:
In another section of my PG I ran the report among my Critical Commentaries

Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament: 1 Corinthians has many "Exegesis and Exposition" sections with verse references to 1 Corinthians 14:

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 5:54 PM

Mark Barnes:
the results you're showing don't look right to me, and perhaps point to a problem in the resource
This happens in my PG ALL THE TIME.

I have placed a request on uservoice, but it has not grabbed any attention: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1338685-collections-section-of-the-passage-guide-should-

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 5:55 PM

Ah, I see the problem. You're using a Collections section instead of a Commentaries section for your commentaries in your PG.

Commentaries section groups commentary hits appropriately, by book:

I agree, collections section should have that option as well, but it isn't designed as Commentaries sections are, to group all hits within the same chapter together if you're doing a PG on a chapter, for example. I believe it lists every hit, not sure how it orders them.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 6:30 PM

Rosie Perera:
I believe it lists every hit
It does
Rosie Perera:
not sure how it orders them
If you ask me, it is random.

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 22 2012 9:35 AM

tom collinge:

Rosie Perera:
I believe it lists every hit
It does
Rosie Perera:
not sure how it orders them
If you ask me, it is random.

I don't agree. It should be a ranked search, and it should only list one hit per section (although some resources have hidden sections which may confuse the issue).

Can you post a screenshot of a collections section of a PG alongside a ranged search of the same collection for the same bible reference? In the ranked search use the syntax <bible reference> - the results should be identical.

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