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Preston Davis | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 12 2009 3:09 AM

I'm trying to do a search on "Day of the Lord". In Libronix 3 I could use something like "Day within 3 words Lord" and get some pretty good results. I cant seem to use those types of searches anymore.

I need a "clue".

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2009 3:48 AM

Here's some HELP  http://community.logos.com/forums/t/4193.aspx

You are close with the suggestion - it  needed to be Day WITHIN 3 words Lord (no quotes).
But you can get a more exact result (with topics!) if you perform a Basic Search on the phrase across Entire Library ie. "Day of the Lord" (with quotes).

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2009 4:05 AM

OR (dare I say) searching a collection of dictionary and "handbook"type references for that phrase....

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Preston Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2009 5:43 PM

Wow. Thanks for the resource Dave. Based on the page you listed I was able to string together this search: "day of" WITHIN 2 words (Lord, Jehovah, wrath, anger)

This brought back 39 Verses (ESV)

But, IMHO God "alluded" to this same time period in Genesis 3:15

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Is not the "bruising of the head" also an allusion to the Day of the Lord"?

So, what i'm asking is... is there a way to search SCRIPTURES for a topic like "Day of the Lord" and get results (Verses) which address the TOPIC "Day of the Lord" but may not contain any of those WORDS (for example pulling up Gen 3:15, etc.)?

Thanks again

Preston

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2009 6:10 PM

Preston,

That's where Dave's second suggestion and Bob's suggestion comes in handy. You can search your entire library for "Day of the Lord" (in quotes) and find plenty of places where it is discussed. Or if you put together a specific collectin of resources you like (dictionaries, handbooks, commentaries, etc) you can search that collection for the phrase. This will help you find places that others consider a reference to the Day of the Lord even where it is not mentioned specifically in those words.

EDIT - sorry, I just noticed your specific question. No, there is no way (that I know of) to search the Bible for topics (apart from searching for the words you're interested in). You need to search resources that deal with topics in the Bible. But there's really no difference. Even if there were a topically tagged Bible, it would still be someone's interpretation. So searching a reference book that lists scriptures on a topic, rather than searching the Bible itself for that topic accomplishes the same purpose.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2009 7:16 PM

PrestonDavis:
So, what i'm asking is... is there a way to search SCRIPTURES for a topic like "Day of the Lord" and get results (Verses) which address the TOPIC "Day of the Lord" but may not contain any of those WORDS (for example pulling up Gen 3:15, etc.)?

I agree with what David has said. There are many references in topical bibles/dictionaries for "day of the lord" or "that day" (as suggested in the TOPIC section of Basic Search) and Logos are working to further improve suggestions for topics to provide the widest spread of relevant results possible. Libronix would provide the widest spread, but you often had to figure out their relevance/accuracy.

Just for interest sake I did a reference search for Gen 3:15 in the same resources but it was not found under either of the topics mentioned above! The closest were "promise" and "tribulation".

BTW I updated my Search HELP at http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP

 

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Chris Elford | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2009 7:59 PM

Dave,

Thanks for putting your help stuff up on the wiki and updating it. I look forward to your Syntax stuff.

Now, let me ask a search question.

I'm trying to create a search to find anarthrous nominative Greek nouns before the greek verb ειμι - Granville Sharpe's Rule. Using UBS Interlinear with Logos Morph

I can't get a string to work. I've tried @NN ANDNOT lemma:ho AND lemma:eimi - the ho and eimi resolve into greek. not right. I've tried @NN ANDNOT @DN AND lemma:eimi I've tried BEFORE in place of the AND. I tried - instead of ANDNOT

I get results sometimes. But not the right results.

What am I doing wrong or what do I need to do right?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 14 2009 3:34 AM

Chris Elford:
I'm trying to create a search to find anarthrous nominative Greek nouns before the greek verb ειμι - Granville Sharpe's Rule. Using UBS Interlinear with Logos Morph

I don't think this is Granville Sharpe's (famous) Rule but it still presents a challenge.

The basic query is (@NN BEFORE 3 words lemma:εμί) producing 1216 hits/532 verses. If we used (@NN AND lemma:εμί) the words can occur anywhere in the verse, in any order giving 4576 hits /1522 verses! But you specified before and I made sure they are related by requiring they be no more than 3 words apart.

Now we have to specify where the article is to be excluded:-

(@NN BEFORE 3 words lemma:εμί) ANDNOT  (lemma:  BEFORE 1 words @NN) ==> 516/235

ie. we don’t want it close to the noun. But that could be any nom. noun, so we have to be more specific:-

(@NN BEFORE 3 words lemma:εμί) ANDNOT  (lemma:  BEFORE 1 words @NN BEFORE 3 words lemma:εμί)  ==>745/337

So now you can fine tune the position of the article so it is not related to the noun, and how far apart the noun and verb can be. Syntax search will provide more relevant results.

NB. my results come from LGNTI, but UBS4 Int produces similar results (750/339 for the final query).

 

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