BUG: Can't make Greek note text bold
1) Created a note attached to a reference.
2) Went to UBS4 and copied the Greek text of the same verse.
3) Pasted that into the note.
4) Tried to make certain words bold, so that I would be able to quickly see the original words underlying the translation. I tried both with cmd-b and with the B button.
Result: None. I can make Latin letter words bold, and I can make Greek words italic, but I can't make Greek words bold -- and I really needed that for this verse. 
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Does the font that you are using for this have a bold version?
Does not work with Gentium, but it does work with Times New Roman and Lucida Grande.
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I don't have Logos open right now, but I imagine I have the font set to default. I don't believe I've ever changed any of the default fonts.
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The notes editor relies on font support for typographic features such as bold, italic, super-script, sub-script and small caps. Unfortunately, as Jack stated, Gentium, which the default font uses for Greek text, does not have support for bold.
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Martin Potter said:
Unfortunately, as Jack stated, Gentium, which the default font uses for Greek text, does not have support for bold.
Gentium seems to support only plain vanilla text. Sigh, I need to find a new default font—but I like Gentium [:'(]
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Try Palatino Linotype, though this not a default on Mac OS
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Alan Macgregor said:
Try Palatino Linotype, though this not a default on Mac OS
I have Palatino, but not Palatino Linotype. What is the difference? Note that Palatino has more features than Gentium.
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Jack Caviness said:
I have Palatino, but not Palatino Linotype. What is the difference?
Linotype is a type foundry: http://www.linotype.com/ . Palantino is the style of typeface. Alan probably has some Adobe product where he acquired the higher quality typeface (as did I). You should try it anyways… who knows, it may work fine!
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FYI it came with Windows XP and is one of the Unicode fonts recommended by Microsoft for their Greek Keyboard with diacritical marks. I used it for my doctoral thesis and have continued to use it for academic work.
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alabama24 said:
Linotype is a type foundry: http://www.linotype.com/ . Palantino is the style of typeface. Alan probably has some Adobe product where he acquired the higher quality typeface (as did I). You should try it anyways… who knows, it may work fine!
Tried it. Seems that Bold and Italic work, but none of the other features. Still, it is a step up from Gentium—slightly larger and easier to read also.
Alan Macgregor said:FYI it came with Windows XP and is one of the Unicode fonts recommended by Microsoft for their Greek Keyboard with diacritical marks. I used it for my doctoral thesis and have continued to use it for academic work.
Interesting. I have XP under Parallels. Perhaps I could look and see if there is any difference.
alabama24 said:I probably got it with MSFT Word then.
I have MS Office 2008, but the version of Palatino in my font folder has an Apple copyright. Think I might try all this in L4 W later today [+o(].
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Martin Potter said:
The notes editor relies on font support for typographic features such as bold, italic, super-script, sub-script and small caps. Unfortunately, as Jack stated, Gentium, which the default font uses for Greek text, does not have support for bold.
If that is true, it is extremely disappointing! I use the default font precisely because you are supposed to have chosen it for it's ability to support everything that needs to be supported! If I change it, not only do I risk finding empty boxes in my books when some sign doesn't exist in that font, I would also have to manually locate and change the font of all Greek words in all my note files. That would not make me happy...
However, I'm wondering if you are correct. A simple test shows that I have no problem applying bold highlighting to the UBS, neither with a visual filter, nor manually:
Seeing that, I naturally thought I had found a workaround: if I bolded the words in the text, before copying and pasting into the note, I should get what I wanted, right? No... Then, knowing how much it normally annoys me that coloured text stays coloured when pasted into a note, I made the words purple instead of bold -- but even that showed up as black regular in the note!
• Why can't I make or paste bold text in a note, when I can easily make it in a resource?
• Why doesn't pasted text in Greek stay coloured in a note, even when I want it to, when pasted text in Latin letters always stay coloured, even when I hate it?
Surely this has got to be something more than the font not having support for bold?
Jack Caviness said:Gentium seems to support only plain vanilla text.
Like I said, I have no problem making it italic, even in the note.
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fgh said:Jack Caviness said:
Gentium seems to support only plain vanilla text.
Like I said, I have no problem making it italic, even in the note.
Should have looked in Font Book prior to making the above comment [:$]. Gentium supports Regular and Italic—but not bold, et al
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fgh said:fgh said:
I can't make Greek words bold
Don't know if this started working with the new note editor or earlier, but I can now make Greek in notes both bold and coloured.
Something about fonts must have changed with the new Notes Editor. Can now make Greek text bold, even though Gentium Plus still does not support Bold.
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Jack Caviness said:Martin Potter said:
Unfortunately, as Jack stated, Gentium, which the default font uses for Greek text, does not have support for bold.
Gentium seems to support only plain vanilla text. Sigh, I need to find a new default font—but I like Gentium
I use KadmosU. It resembles the font used in the Greek grammar I had in college (It comes with Logos).
εἰς τὸ εἶναί με λειτουργὸν Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ εἰς τὰ ἔθνη, ἱερουργοῦντα τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα γένηται ἡ προσφορὰ τῶν ἐθνῶν εὐπρόσδεκτος, ἡγιασμένη ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I use KadmosU. It resembles the font used in the Greek grammar I had in college (It comes with Logos).
εἰς τὸ εἶναί με λειτουργὸν Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ εἰς τὰ ἔθνη, ἱερουργοῦντα τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα γένηται ἡ προσφορὰ τῶν ἐθνῶν εὐπρόσδεκτος, ἡγιασμένη ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ.
using SBL Greek:
Ὡς πάντα ἡμῖν τῆς θείας δυνάμεως αὐτοῦ τὰ πρὸς ζωὴν καὶ εὐσέβειαν δεδωρημένης διὰ τῆς ἐπιγνώσεως τοῦ καλέσαντος ἡμᾶς ἰδίᾳ δόξῃ καὶDISCLAIMER: What you do on YOUR computer is your doing.
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Jack Caviness said:fgh said:fgh said:
I can't make Greek words bold
Don't know if this started working with the new note editor or earlier, but I can now make Greek in notes both bold and coloured.
Something about fonts must have changed with the new Notes Editor. Can now make Greek text bold, even though Gentium Plus still does not support Bold.
This is due to using the same display engine in the new Notes Editor as we do for Resources. Resources have been able to support faux bold for fonts that do not offer bold variants for quite some time since we have more control over the rendering of text and are not relying on Apple's text system or the font to provide proper support for bold.
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Martin Potter said:Jack Caviness said:
Something about fonts must have changed with the new Notes Editor. Can now make Greek text bold, even though Gentium Plus still does not support Bold.
This is due to using the same display engine in the new Notes Editor as we do for Resources. Resources have been able to support faux bold for fonts that do not offer bold variants for quite some time since we have more control over the rendering of text and are not relying on Apple's text system or the font to provide proper support for bold.
Does this mean that, while such Greek text will display as bold, it will not print as bold?
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My export to TextEdit is bold, so I presume it would print as bold as well. Try it.
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fgh said:
My export to TextEdit is bold, so I presume it would print as bold as well. Try it.
Mine printed bold. Perhaps your printer will only honor installed fonts. Does you selected font have bold? Gentium Plus does not.
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It printed fine.
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fgh said:
It printed fine.
I'm confused [*-)], but then I have been there previously [8-|] Did your original post indicate a problem? Or did you just want someone to try printing bold Greek text?
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You asked Martin if there would be a problem printing bold. I answered that an export looked fine, but you should try it if you wanted to know. You did, but seemed to doubt that the result would be the same for me, so I eventually took the time to try it out for myself. My version of what happened.[:)]
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