An interesting article on the Popular Patristics series

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2012 7:50 PM

http://www.svots.edu/headlines/logos-links-digitized-popular-patristic-series-biblical-passages

 

the article links to http://www.logos.com/product/18384/popular-patristics-series-part-1

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 9:37 PM

The tone of the article almost seems to suggest that St. Vladimir's Seminary Press was surprised by Logos' move to publish these resources electronically!

I'm signed up for this one, but I was wondering if anyone knows the differences between the Popular Patristic Series and the Early Church Fathers set. Is there some overlap between the two?

What sets the two collections apart from each other?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 10:21 PM

Greg Masone:
The tone of the article almost seems to suggest that St. Vladimir's Seminary Press was surprised by Logos' move to publish these resources electronically!

I can see why they might be surprised that Logos approached them, since Logos hadn't ever worked with them before, and Logos is probably perceived in the academic/religious publishing industry as being mostly interested in publishing evangelical books.

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 10:29 PM

Rosie Perera:

I can see why they might be surprised that Logos approached them, since Logos hadn't ever worked with them before, and Logos is probably perceived in the academic/religious publishing industry as being mostly interested in publishing evangelical books.

I wonder if its like how Logos went about publishing the Oxford Latin Dictionary. Put it on Pre-pub first, get the necessary support, then seek out OUP to see if they can get the rights to it.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 11:01 PM

Greg Masone:
I wonder if its like how Logos went about publishing the Oxford Latin Dictionary.
Oh how I wish Oxford would see this new publishing relationship and reconsider allowing Logos to go ahead with the OLD!  

It is a pleasure to read the positive article. Thanks MJ. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 11:46 PM

Greg Masone:
What sets the two collections apart from each other?

Actually I put Logos and St. Vladimir's in touch with each other. The director of St. Vladimir's Press had not heard of Logos but from the article I think he really sees some possibilities for collaboration. Since many Orthodox use the KJV (at least until the current translation projects are completed) it seems like a likely pairing. In a thread about a year ago, the forum gave input to St. Vladimir's on what titles we'd like to see first.

 

The Popular Patristic Series is a shorter series with new volumes being added with reasonable frequency. Although there is a fair amount of overlap, the Popular Patristic Series is a much more readable translation with notes that are aimed at lay people i.e. not assuming a lot of previous knowledge, Schaff's series has abbreviated some works - PPS doesn't. Schaff's series treat the texts as "foreign" to the average English Protestant. PPS treats the texts as common heritage - letting the text speak for themselves. I'd place PPS closer to the Ancient Christian Commentary in translation than to Schaff. But you get entire works which you don't in the ACC.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 11:50 PM

I am really excited for this to come out!  I of course am not sure but I typed in an email to logos that they might contact St. Vlads press.  Maybe I got this connection more on a front burner....I can only hope.  I want to see much more from this press......Lets go ppl....it is moving.....Let's get it over the top...

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 12:03 AM

Greg Masone:
Put it on Pre-pub first, get the necessary support, then seek out OUP to see if they can get the rights to it.

No, St. Vladimir's Seminary Press's director has been in on the negotiation from the beginning. About a year ago, I posted quotes both from Fr. Churchill and Bob P. when they expressed interest in partnering. St. Vladimir's booklist has a number of items outside the PPS that would be nice to have in Logos, so I really hope this first project works out well on both sides. I also want people to recognize that it took a year or so of negotiation between putting them in touch with each other to announcing a pre-pub offering. I think that those of us active in the forums assume things move faster.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 12:08 AM

William Bingham:
I of course am not sure but I typed in an email to logos that they might contact St. Vlads press. 

It definitely helped. Logos knew they had a market. And everyone who gave their opinion in the forums which books should be offered first also helped - both St. Vladimir and Logos read the thread with interest.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 12:32 AM

MJ. Smith:
I also want people to recognize that it took a year or so of negotiation between putting them in touch with each other to announcing a pre-pub offering. I think that those of us active in the forums assume things move faster.

Very helpful to know that.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 11:25 AM

Greg Masone:
like how Logos went about publishing the Oxford Latin Dictionary. Put it on Pre-pub first, get the necessary support, then seek out OUP to see if they can get the rights to it.

I very much doubt they did that. First of all, it would be a pretty good way of getting the publisher into a very bad mood, which isn't all that smart if you want to negotiate a contract with them. Secondly, I would also assume it would be very much illegal.

More likely, they had some kind of letter of intent or option to publish certain works within a certain time, and that time expired before they could do so. Or they had a general contract with OUP that stipulated the terms for the first few years of cooperation, and then OUP refused to renew it [at terms Logos could accept], and Logos was left with rights only to the works they had already released. Or something else of that nature.

 

MJ. Smith:
St. Vladimir's booklist has a number of items outside the PPS that would be nice to have in Logos

Lossky and Ware, please! Smile And Schmemann and Meyendorff.

 

MJ. Smith:
I also want people to recognize that it took a year or so of negotiation between putting them in touch with each other to announcing a pre-pub offering. I think that those of us active in the forums assume things move faster.

I suspect this may have taken longer than normally necessary. We are, after all, talking about a relatively small Orthodox press, which probably hasn't negotiated anything remotely like this before, which hadn't heard of Logos, and which is associated with a seminary. I imagine Logos may have needed to demonstrate the software for them, they may have wanted a bit of a theological discussion to figure out why Logos was interested and if they themselves really should be, they probably needed to seek quite a bit of legal advice, and if they were smart they asked some pertinent questions about what's in this for their students and alumni, who will, after all, not be very interested in the current base packages (if I were them, I would have asked for a slimmed down Greek/Patristic package as part of the deal).

But this sentence that I found on their website sounds promising for Logos: "For publications, St. Vladimir’s partners with “green” printers, which use environmentally friendly inks, solvents, coatings, and paper from well-managed forests; additionally, the seminary has begun paperless email campaigns to advertise events and SVS Press books, to advance the mission of the seminary." It doesn't get much more paperless than Logos. Smile

Another good thing with this is that their customers and students ought to be really interested in the Patrologia. And in getting the Orthodox Bible translations as soon as possible.

(And, btw, St Vladimir was of Viking stock and lived in present day Sweden for a while. His son married the daughter of the first Christian king in Sweden, who later became known as St Anna of Novgorod. Hmm, that may well mean I'm related to both of them, one way or another. Always nice to have saints in the family. Smile)

 

 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 12:04 PM

Greg Masone:

I'm signed up for this one, but I was wondering if anyone knows the differences between the Popular Patristic Series and the Early Church Fathers set. Is there some overlap between the two?

What sets the two collections apart from each other?

Looks like this hasn't been directly answered yet, at least on this thread...

The Early Church Fathers set is the result of translation efforts, largely in the English context of the Oxford Movement in the 19th Century.  I am quite thankful that it exists, but it is hardly the final word on these texts.  Unfortunately they were translated into "Biblish" (English that echos the King James version) that is more difficult for us to understand than is necessary.

The Popular Patristics set is the result of an Eastern Orthodox publisher - a quite different perspective. In addition, they are based on up to date texts and scholarship.  I have only read three of the series (interestingly, none of them are included in the original offering) and they have been quite readable, and their notes and bibliographies have been quite helpful at getting into today's discussions on these texts.  Sometimes they used different forms of names for biblical figures (eg. Isaias instead of Isaiah in the Irenaeus volume I have) but this was never a problem.  While hardly the ONLY good source or modern translations, they are particularly welcome because of their generally high quality as well as the fact that they are the first modern set available in Logos, other than the Holmes edition of the Apostolic Fathers.

There is, admittedly, some overlap between the two, but Popular Patristics has also been quite good at releasing significant finds discovered since the 19th Century (like Melio's Pascha) as well as some other texts that weren't included in the ECF set.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 12:28 PM

Some of you may be interested in this video documentary I just found on The Spirit of St Vladimir's and Alexander Schmemann. Also somewhat related to Easter. (Though if you don't want to hear Alleluias in the middle of Holy Week you might want to wait a few days. Smile)

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