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As my beliefs are closest to the Catholic Church, and second closest to Mennonite Brethren, (according to Selectsmart.com) and I'm forced to go 2 semesters in a Baptist Bible college because it's the only college my grades are sufficient for that includes Biblical Greek, I would be very much interested in Steve Ray's works.
+ I'm somewhat unorthodox in my beliefs and trying to find out what the Johannite Church was like ~AD 90.
Steve K. Ray has done good research on litterature. I would really need some Catholic backing.
I LOVE going to the Catholic Church, they have it in British English over here in the Stockholm cathedral.. but I'm all the time going risking to go far astray as I spend a lot of time thinking on my own on theological topics.
That was it on books.
Also, I would like to have a friend in Stockholm/Uppsala: http://www.christianforums.com/t7614200/
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Juho, welcome to the Logos forums!
Just to clarify, are you asking for Logos to make Steve K. Ray's books available in Logos format? There was no mention of Logos in your post, so you probably ought to have made that more explicit if that's what you intended.
Some of the other stuff in your post was either irrelevant (recounting your personal theological position) or else made it look a bit spammish, I'm afraid to say. This isn't a Christian meet-up site, and we're not supposed to promote other websites such as the one in your subject line.
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Yes I meant that I wish some of those books would be made available to Logos. (I thought that is presupposed in this forum.) It was unclear whether You also wished for Steve Ray items?
Sorry for the personal information, but I just wanted to describe the problem here in the Nordic, we don't have much of a choice over here regarding Bible colleges, even if I would have good grades from high-school I still wouldn't be able to get a lot of Catholic tuition, only to read Biblical Greek separately. There isn't even a Catholic Catechumen -group with the priest in English because it's difficult to gather a group he said. There's only in the local languages which I try to avoid in religious circumstances.
I won't be writing the contact request in more posts.
I think I'm a pretty typical case: I'm on my own in matters of belief and reading the Bible. Really hard to find anyone to discuss with face-to-face. The cathedral (where they have the English Mass), closes a few minutes after the Mass and the cafeteria is not open on regular weekends, not in English nor in the local language.Disclosure!
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On topic reply:
These are the books Steve Ray has written:
- Crossing the Tiber
- Upon This Rock: St. Peter and the Primacy of Rome in Scripture and the Early Church (Modern Apologetics Library)
- St. John's Gospel: A Bible Study Guide and Commentary
Steve has used Logos almost as long as Rosie, so I'm sure he'd be happy to see his books here, but I'm less sure the market is big enough. Vyrso might work, though.
Off topic reply:
Rosie, are you having a bad day or something? We all know what church you go to. You've told us at a dozen times or more. So why this sudden urge to set a newbie straight with such language, when his post is no more off topic than many others we've seen? You usually do that far more gently.
That said, Juho, Rosie is right. These forums are for discussing Logos. We are explicitly asked not to discuss anything controversial, like religious or political beliefs. And, believe me, Catholicism is about as controversial as it gets around here. Posts like yours can very easily set off an avalanche of anti-Catholicism that makes this a rather nasty place for the next few weeks. So please stay on focus.
Also, as a Swede and theologically, if not formally, Catholic, I have to say that I don't quite recognize the country and church you describe. If you click on your name in one of your posts, you'll get to your profile page. Scroll down to the bottom, and you'll (soon) find a message there.
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I haven't completed high-school, so yes it's impossible for me to get into higher studies. I would have about 1 semester left, but I've read all teacher-led courses and I wouldn't do well reading the courses by myself, it's not my way of learning. And I'm still waiting for inspiration to other areas of studies than religion. Besides, the higher studies here are not theologically what I would like to read.
Thanks for the hint You wrote on my profile, I appreciate, maybe I can meet some Catholic that way.
I think it's a good thing that the cathedral closes after Mass, it's easier for everyone to focus that way.Disclosure!
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fgh said:
These are the books Steve Ray has written:
- Crossing the Tiber
- Upon This Rock: St. Peter and the Primacy of Rome in Scripture and the Early Church (Modern Apologetics Library)
- St. John's Gospel: A Bible Study Guide and Commentary
Steve has used Logos almost as long as Rosie, so I'm sure he'd be happy to see his books here, but I'm less sure the market is big enough. Vyrso might work, though.
You discussion intrigued me to have a look into the "St John's Gospel" bible study. Wow - from the Look-into pages at Amazon I couldn't refrain from buying it as a kindle version. Somehow when I read "bible study" I think of small-group material (Navigator's or Serendipidy - a bit text, some questions and much room for answers) - this is a 450+ pages book and the one star missing from the single non-five rating on Amazon is because it doesn't include the text itself!
This is heavily cross-referenced, especially to the CCC, but also to some of the "usual suspects" - from the bibliography it could as well be evangelical - so please don't do it in Vyrso. I promise I'll buy it in Logos format!
Have joy in the Lord!
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fgh said:
Rosie, are you having a bad day or something? We all know what church you go to. You've told us at a dozen times or more. So why this sudden urge to set a newbie straight with such language, when his post is no more off topic than many others we've seen? You usually do that far more gently.
My apologies, I was up late, tired, and somewhat suspicious because of the three URLs to off-site websites. Like KS4J I was giving the newbie poster the benefit of the doubt, starting off with a cheerful welcome to the forums, but I'm afraid I did suspect someone with another agenda. I am very sorry about that. I've since looked at other posts and see that this is a legitimate new user who is just a bit unfamiliar with our forum etiquette (and I did offer an extensive response over on another thread). I am very sorry Juho. You are most welcome to share where you're coming from theologically, but as fgh rightly commented (and this was also on my mind) there are anti-Catholics here (I'm not one of them!) and you could be walking into a minefield by sharing so openly when you're brand new here. Best to get to know the feel of the place first before telling those sorts of details. And as I see on the other thread, your position is even farther afield from mainstream Logos users than the traditional Catholic church, so you probably aren't going to find Logos willing to do research for you to find books that would be just right for you that they can publish. They are a business and as such need to produce products that will have a large enough market to make it worth their effort. Yours seems a very tiny niche market, I'm afraid.
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There is a legal, discreet link on my signature line that may be of interest.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Steve Ray here. Thanks for your kind words. I am a daily Logos user. My Study Guide on St. John's Gospel was written using Logos! I will help in any way possible to get my books on Logos so that I myself have better access to them :-)
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Steve Ray said:
I will help in any way possible to get my books on Logos
Nice to hear. After Mick's post, I looked closer at the Amazon page and decided I too definitely want 'St John' in Logos.
Steve Ray said:so that I myself have better access to them :-)
Haven't you made them into Personal Books? Unlike the rest of us, you've got the electronic files. And no copyright problem. [:)]
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fgh said:
I looked closer at the Amazon page and decided I too definitely want 'St John' in Logos.
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Steve Ray said:
Steve Ray here. Thanks for your kind words. I am a daily Logos user. My Study Guide on St. John's Gospel was written using Logos! I will help in any way possible to get my books on Logos so that I myself have better access to them :-)
As a conservative Protestant I would love to see the Commentary on John available in my Logos library.
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Steve Ray said:
I will help in any way possible to get my books on Logos so that I myself have better access to them :-)
One idea is contacting Logos Product Suggestions => http://www.logos.com/about/contact
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Quick update: I was unable to enter the baptist Bible college, they replied by postal mail that I'm over-qualified.
Right now I'm continuing to try to learn Gk on my own:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7663680/
In approximately a couple of years from now I'll apply for a separate Gk course.
I went to the youth group that fgh hinted about, it's good although small. They don't have anything during the summer vacation.
Socially I totter along. There's been a bit of hassle with 1 of my 2 email addresses' not functioning for receiving emails. And one girl hasn't written anything more after an initial message (maybe it was the late hour). And a third girl hasn't written for ½ a month now. This is how it's usually been, someone has an initial interest to discuss theology or Bibles with me, but quickly discontinues the contact, so this still looks to be dragging on.
Now I found a brief local distance study Bible college, the reason I noticed it, was that our bishop has allowed the publication of some material there:
http://www.bibelskolan.com/litterator/arborelius/index.shtmlDisclosure!
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By PM:ing me, I meant on Christianforums. Suggestion to new friend: maybe You should think of buying the Hermenia Continental Commentaries -series this month, July 2012: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/51717.aspx
... then we could do a lot of research together!
A now 23-year-old girl who knew me 13-14½ months ago surprisingly called me a few days ago and wants to go to the Catholic Church with me tomorrow. She's from a Catholic country but she hasn't been reading the Bible all that much recently because she finds it complex. I'll try to help her out. I don't know yet how well she'll manage to discuss theology with me. (She apologized for having went and lost some of my gears 13 months ago.)
My 40-year old female friend downloaded a Bible in English that I had recommended, to her cell today + a Swedish 1998 Bible that she has in print also. She reads the Bible regularely, but she's only beginning to understand theology and has taken very elementary classes.
Neither of these girls will be able to do in-depth studies with me, nor afford buying a bunch of books, and since we all live on different sides of the city it's impossible for me to hand out all my books all the time, at best I can print or copy some loose pages for them (and You if You don't have the same books).
I applied to a Catholic school, same as the now 40-year-old went to half her life ago, that has just the right high-school classes that I haven't taken yet: maths intermediate course, nature science advanced course, English (somewhat by global standards) advanced course, + classes to fill up to full-time: helping each other's out with exercises, ethics, cleaning of the school, cooking food, ecclesiastical Latin. I'm not sure how much Latin I will have time for. + I really don't know yet whether the studies will start in mid-August 2012 or January 2013, I applied late because like I said in the previous post I was over-qualified to the studies I first applied to.Disclosure!
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We went to Church once (the "state" "Lutheran" Church, it's not orthodox Lutheran & it's not state anymore since the turn of the millennia), but now she has met a guy and stopped seeing me.
Unix said:A now 23-year-old girl who knew me 13-14½ months ago surprisingly called me a few days ago and wants to go to the Catholic Church with me
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NB.Mick said:fgh said:
These are the books Steve Ray has written:
- Crossing the Tiber
- Upon This Rock: St. Peter and the Primacy of Rome in Scripture and the Early Church (Modern Apologetics Library)
- St. John's Gospel: A Bible Study Guide and Commentary
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You discussion intrigued me to have a look into the "St John's Gospel" bible study. Wow - from the Look-into pages at Amazon I couldn't refrain from buying it as a kindle version. Somehow when I read "bible study" I think of small-group material (Navigator's or Serendipidy - a bit text, some questions and much room for answers) - this is a 450+ pages book and the one star missing from the single non-five rating on Amazon is because it doesn't include the text itself!
This is heavily cross-referenced, especially to the CCC, but also to some of the "usual suspects" - from the bibliography it could as well be evangelical - so please don't do it in Vyrso. I promise I'll buy it in Logos format!
Time to keep your promise: Steve Ray Collection (2 vols.).[:)]
EDIT: I just noticed: the papacy book's got an endorsement by Cardinal Schönborn. Given that Schönborn is a student of Joseph Ratzinger's, and probably on the top 10, or at least top 20, list to become new pope, I'd say that's an endorsement of some weight... [:)]
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fgh said:
Time to keep your promise: Steve Ray Collection (2 vols.).
Thanks for pointing it out, I might have missed it - I'm in.
We need some more buyers to put this into development, though...
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
We need some more buyers to put this into development, though...
Agreed. Go write a review on the product page.[:)] Make sure to point out that you're not Catholic. That will make other non-Catholics more willing to trust the recommendation.
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One more book by Steve Ray is now available to write a review on: Crossing the Tiberfgh said:Go write a review on the product page.
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Sleiman said:
One more book by Steve Ray is now available to write a review on: Crossing the Tiber
Thanks for pointing us, I'm in!
The 2-vol Steve ray Collection now says "Almost there", but surely needs some more momentum (maybe I'll really write a review). However, I see that there are more: https://www.logos.com/products/search?Author=Ray%2C+Stephen+K.&start=&sort=pricelo
Steve also authored some of the "Catholic Scripture Study International" resources that made it to Logos in the meantime. I somehow missed that, so thanks again for reviving this thread! The CSSI resources come complete with downloadable small-group leader material - I'm willing to buy one to check them out.
While I'm deliberating (go cheap on Ruth or deep on First Corinthians?) - does anybody know what I'll be missing due to the fact that Logos only offers me an "International Version"? I'd expect them to tell me on the product page, but zip. Note that my links go to the "international version" which purportedly is contained in the same-priced "normal" one, such as https://www.logos.com/product/33789/catholic-scripture-study-international-the-book-of-ruth - I love that Logos prevents me to even see that page :-((
Im know that some packages will lack products where Logos only has US or North-America licences (such as the CCC), but what is it they leave out in such a resource - links? citations? Or is the content the same but Logos need to track sales per region for royalty payments to Ignatius and other publishers?
Curious,
Mick
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Excellent question. I too would like to know. As a Canadian I also see the 'international version'.NB.Mick said:what is it they leave out in such a resource - links? citations? Or is the content the same but Logos need to track sales per region for royalty payments to Ignatius and other publishers?
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fgh said:NB.Mick said:
We need some more buyers to put this into development, though...
Agreed. Go write a review on the product page.
Make sure to point out that you're not Catholic. That will make other non-Catholics more willing to trust the recommendation.I just did (hope it suits you - otherwise why not do one yourself and show me how to make it better;-) . I really do hope this crosses into production soon.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Sleiman said:
Excellent question. I too would like to know. As a Canadian I also see the 'international version'.NB.Mick said:what is it they leave out in such a resource - links? citations? Or is the content the same but Logos need to track sales per region for royalty payments to Ignatius and other publishers?
In the meantime I bought the "International Version" Bible Study on Ruth, a very nice resource with some good insights into the character of the protagonists of the book. Didn't notice anything missing, CCC-links work. Maybe someone who owns the non-international version of this international bible study resource (;-) can speak up and we compare them? Logos so far is silent.
EDIT: I just put a review comment onto the product page - the international one, of course. But by logging out, it seems I can view the "non-international version" which contains the comment nonetheless (but then, probably based on some cookies, even though logged out it still says that I wrote the comment). I'm unclear how the Logos website differentiates here, the SKU (Logos internal product number) in the two URLs is the same. The pages look identical save that the non-international doesn't show downloadable PDFs - is this the difference? If so, I'm very glad! Or is it because these are shown only to logged-in users?
In case you poor US guys can't see the review comment, I'll replicate it here:
Five out of five stars
Very nice!
This resource is a classical bible study resource, which gives ample background information for the text (such as ancient agricultural processes, the levirate marriage law etc), the usual study questions which can be answered from the text or other biblical references and some deeper questions for reflection. Since this is a catholic resource, one will find a "from rome to home " section with quotes from a recent pope, some quotes of church fathers/well-known techers such as Aquinas and a section with CCC links for further study.
A non-RC user of this resource might find the quotes beneficial regardless of their denominational heritage and look into the CCC for curiosity (or disregard this section). The exegetical/pastoral insights in the overall introduction and the "points to ponder" section, which give the commentary on Ruth, focus on the character of the protagonists and time and again remind us of the role of Ruth in the history of God's plan of salvation. I learnt some things and got reminded of some forgotten/buried ones as well.
The really very affordable resource includes not only the Logos file (including fill-in the blank boxes and some b/w-pictures of agricultural life in the pre-modern Near East), but also PDF versions of the Lessons (probably meant to print out for study group participants - the suggested responses come in a separate PDF file) and a Group Leader handbook. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this for non-RC study groups or people who want to dive into the book of Ruth by themselves.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
The 2-vol Steve ray Collection now says "Almost there", but surely needs some more momentum
Seems that momentum took in (maybe somewhat fuelled by our thread) - it looks like the collection needs only one more bid to go into production:
EDIT: ha, and now it's under development!
Have joy in the Lord!
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