Hebrew definitions in the Mac version

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Homer Russell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 8:15 AM

This, to me illustrates better what might be happening: The program is aware of the correct spelling for the lemma as far as the vowels are concerned, but still using the end forms of the consonants, it breaks up the study also.

 

I still wonder if I am the only one who gets this on the Mac???

 

(All of this is in reference to the way the word study displays on the Mac as compared to the way it displays on the PC using the same word)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 8:23 AM

Homer Russell:
PPSS Again the previous post did not show the carriage returns! :-)

If you would use a car, you wouldn't need to worry about returning a carriage.  Big Smile  Wink

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 8:39 PM

Homer Russell:
I still wonder if I am the only one who gets this on the Mac???

Likewise wondering if other Logos 4 user(s) on Mac and/or PC are actively using this BHS resource with 1995 WTS morphology ?

Thankful for friendly discussion with Logos that added BHS resource with 1995 Westminster Theological Seminary (WTS) morphology (LLS:1.0.201 bhsmorph.lbxlls) to my library.  Posted thread in Mac Beta forum => Bugs: 4.5c Beta 3 - BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology has issues that describes what is different between Mac and PC without offering comments about possibly why.  Thankfully Logos developers can investigate to figure out technical details and interactions for the variety of issues.

Thankful for many Logos 4 Mac improvements, albeit => Feature Parity list has a number of known issues.

Thread => Try the Faithlife Study Bible! includes:

Bob Pritchett:
Want more? Take a look at http://Faithlife.com/whatsnext for the actual PDF specifications created by our user interaction designers and provided to our software developers -- you can see exactly what's coming in Faithlife!

One idea for bug reporting is screen shot(s) and/or videos about what is happening, similar to PDF specifications being professionally used by Logos.

Homer Russell:
PPSS Again the previous post did not show the carriage returns! :-)

Personally have learned to use Preview in this forum editor before clicking Post.  When sentences run together, have learned to click Compose, then HTML button in editor so can change division (div) to paragraph (p) because division tagging causes sentences to flow together.

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Homer Russell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2012 9:01 AM

I guess the screenshots, etc. went to the other post. 

 

For the record, the Hebrew letters with the different endings are the Kaf, Mem, Nun, Fe (the form is a P or an F, except at the endings, it is always an F) and Tzadei. (There are a number of ways to spell the letters)

 

To sum up, my  (BHS) will display the above consonants erroneously, not give a definition for those words, and won't do a proper word study.

 

My (BHS/WIVU) will display the consonants correctly, and give a definitions, but not give proper word studies sometimes (I am still checking, It will not do it right for REMIYAH, but does seem to do it for others).

 

And my BHS Anderson Forbes works correctly (all of these on the Mac), that is will give the definitions, display the word properly on the Lemma, and give proper word studies.

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Homer Russell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2012 9:04 AM

I refer to the 

Bugs: 4.5c Beta 3 - BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology has issues

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/50791.aspx

 

for the other screen shots I gave in response.

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2012 9:51 AM

Homer Russell:

I refer to the 

Bugs: 4.5c Beta 3 - BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology has issues

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/50791.aspx

 

for the other screen shots I gave in response.

 

May I remind you that the BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology is no longer sold, has been superceded and is no longer supported.  I would suggest that you get the current version.  In any case, there is no point in continuing to complain about it.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2012 8:03 PM

Homer Russell:

I refer to the 

Bugs: 4.5c Beta 3 - BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology has issues

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/50791.aspx

for the other screen shots I gave in response.

Observation: Logos 4 Mac forum tends to focus on issues in stable Logos 4 Mac releases while Mac Beta discussions tend to focus on issues in beta Logos 4 Mac releases.

The screen shots in Beta thread replies => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50791/374379.aspx#374379 and => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50791/374382.aspx#374382 could have been added to this thread since stable Logos 4 Mac (4.5b SR-3) being used.  For Bible Word Study with BHS/WIVU, looking forward to stable Logos 4.5c release.

Different Logos resources have different Hebrew Lemma coding conventions, which is an issue => Status: Hebrew Audio Pronunciations Pre-Pub  Logos development is currently working on a complex solution to enable Hebrew Audio Pronunciations that is compatible with a number of lemma coding conventions.

Noticed thread => Bugs: 4.5c Beta 3 - BHS with 1995 WTS Morphology has issues has a reply by a Logos employee => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50791/374443.aspx#374443

Vincent Setterholm:

I suggest you don't use the "1995 edition". In fact, I'd hide that resource so that you're never tempted to look at it again, along with (if you have them) the 3.5 and 4.0 versions of the Westminster database. Major changes to how we handle Hebrew were implemented around the time we shipped the 4.2 version, so digging into the older editions is like taking a time machine back to the Logos of 10 years ago, except worse, because back then we had a number of hacks in place to work around the limitations of not having some features we now take for granted.

 

If you have the 3.5 version, but not the 4.2, call sales: they can upgrade you for a mere $10. If all you have is the old un-numbered version with the file name BHSMORPH (which was version 2.0 of the Westminster database), then I'm not sure what upgrade pricing is, but give a call to sales. (If you have the 4.0, you should also have the 4.2 - no upgrade fee was necessary to get the minor version number updates.)

Concur with recommendation to contact Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/about/contact

Thankful for Logos insights about BHS resources with older WTS 2.0, 3.5, and 4.0 morphologies plus upgrade options.  Personally use older BHS resources for nostalgic comparisons (e.g. troubleshooting).  Logos 4 English Reverse Interlinear Bible resources and Lexham Hebrew Interlinear use same morphology as "The Hebrew Bible: AFAT".

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Homer Russell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 4:59 AM

Thank you for your great advice, Keep Smiling for Jesus!

 

I will do the thing with sales, that is the info I really needed. The thing you said about the previous engine makes sense.

 

Thank you. Geeked

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 10:06 AM

Vincent Setterholm:
If you have the 3.5 version, but not the 4.2, call sales: they can upgrade you for a mere $10.

Anyone has a 3.5 to spare? Stick out tongue

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 10:36 AM

fgh:

Vincent Setterholm:
If you have the 3.5 version, but not the 4.2, call sales: they can upgrade you for a mere $10.

Anyone has a 3.5 to spare? Stick out tongue

Are you serious?  You know that would require a $20 transfer fee by itself bringing the cost of upgrade to 4.2 to $30.

george
gfsomsel

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 10:52 AM

George Somsel:
Are you serious?  You know that would require a $20 transfer fee by itself bringing the cost of upgrade to 4.2 to $30.

4.2 costs $99.95. Wink

But given the Forum Guidelines I guess I can't be serious, can I? Stick out tongueSad

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 11:11 AM

fgh:

George Somsel:
Are you serious?  You know that would require a $20 transfer fee by itself bringing the cost of upgrade to 4.2 to $30.

4.2 costs $99.95. Wink

But given the Forum Guidelines I guess I can't be serious, can I? Stick out tongueSad

I would suggest first contacting a sales rep to see what kind of deal he can offer (whoever it is who wishes 4.2).

george
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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 10:03 AM

Homer Russell:

In the PC the lemma correctly displays as רמיה and the Mac version's lemma shows רםיה !!! The letter is the correct letter, the Mem (the Hebrew M). But the form is the ending form of Mem.

[...]

Something happens with the Mac version that changes the letter in the lemma to the ending!

The issue with the "mem" character you describe has been fixed in the next update.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 23 2012 7:14 AM

Ann Boyles:

Homer Russell:

In the PC the lemma correctly displays as רמיה and the Mac version's lemma shows רםיה !!! The letter is the correct letter, the Mem (the Hebrew M). But the form is the ending form of Mem.

[...]

Something happens with the Mac version that changes the letter in the lemma to the ending!

The issue with the "mem" character you describe has been fixed in the next update.

Concur Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 (4.53.0.2254) on Mac includes "mem" fix.

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