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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jun 5 2012 7:18 PM

I am requesting for someone to please help me to understand how to perform syntax searching.  IN particular, how to build a search query.  I know what i want to look for, but i am not always sure how to create the search.  Are their any videos, or is there someone who can guide me through building a particular syntax search.  I began searching for another software that may perhaps make syntax searching a bit easier in regards to creating search queries.  Please do not misunderstand me.  I love logos, and believe hold heartily that it is the superior program.  I am just a bit frustrated that there seems to be no training in regards to using this feature in logos 4.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2012 7:29 PM

Orpheus ... have you searched Logos.com?  I did, after I saw your message. I put in 'Syntax Videos' and I notice several free ones, plus some text guidance (both  Logos4 plus a lot of help on syntax searching with L3 but same approach).

I have the Libronix syntax videos which are good; I think they cost me $5! As I understand it, they're being updated. But while you wait for answers, you might look at   some of the 'free' stuff available.


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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2012 7:48 PM

Orpheus Heyward:
I am requesting for someone to please help me to understand how to perform syntax searching.  IN particular, how to build a search query.

The following two threads might help:

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/11066.aspx

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/11205/87831.aspx

Also if you start a search and post a screen shot of what you come up with, even if you know it isn't right, someone can give you direction from there.

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 5 2012 7:52 PM

Orpheus Heyward:
 IN particular, how to build a search query.

Wiki Getting Started with Logos has => Search section that includes links to wiki pages => Setting up a Syntax Search (right side of page has 5 links to Logos videos) and => A Strategy for Syntax Search

Wiki Logos 4 Video Tutorials includes links => Constructing a Syntax Search: Rom 5:1 (Cascadia) , => Syntax Searching for Everyone: Grammatical Relationships and => What can you do with a Syntax Database?

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 1:01 PM

Thank you all very much!

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:26 PM

Ok.  I tried my best to search for other grammatical structures matching John 3:5, which has one preposition governing two nouns.  Here is what i came up with, but it did not yield any results. What did I do wrong?

 

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:30 PM

Ok.  I tried my best to search for other grammatical structures matching John 3:5, which has one preposition governing two nouns.  Here is what i came up with, but it did not yield any results. What did I do wrong?

 

 

 

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:31 PM

Sorry, here is the image:

 

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:32 PM

sorry, I am having a hard time getting the image in this post

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:32 PM

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:37 PM

Ok. Finally. here is my attempt to find grammatical parallels to the John 3:5 prepositional phrase.  I am attempting to find two nouns governed by one preposition (EK).  What did i do wrong?

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 11:44 PM

Sorry, I'm not ignoring you - I just rarely use Cascadia and can't quite get it to work either.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 1:21 AM

Hi Orpheus

Does this give you what you want?

Note I have introduced an extra phrase level to match the structure of John 3:5

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 3:15 AM

Graham Criddle:
Note I have introduced an extra phrase level to match the structure of John 3:5

Personally living and learning that Cascadia search diagram can be a bit simplier (albeit terminal node is needed for prepositional phrase).

Orpheus Heyward:
 I am attempting to find two nouns governed by one preposition (EK).  What did i do wrong?

Wonder about checking skip levels for Word 1 ? or adding Terminal Node for conjunction ?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 3:27 AM

Hi KS4J

Interesting that your search finds Acts 12:11 whereas mine does not - I think this is because mine is more constraining.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:32 AM

Graham Criddle:

Interesting that your search finds Acts 12:11 whereas mine does not - I think this is because mine is more constraining.

Wonder about enabling "Matching skip levels" for Terminal Node 4 ?  In Acts 12:11 the first word after the conjunction is an adjective while the third word is a noun.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:44 AM

Hi KS4J

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Wonder about enabling "Matching skip levels" for Terminal Node 4 ?  In Acts 12:11 the first word after the conjunction is an adjective while the third word is a noun.

I had to enable "Matching skip levels" on Terminal Node 1 as well.

This is because there are three "NP" markers in that branch not the two which I had in my diagram.

I don't think either is particularly right or wrong - it just depends on the level of granularity one wishes to impose on the search

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 4:48 AM

Hi KS4J

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Wonder about enabling "Matching skip levels" for Terminal Node 4 ?  In Acts 12:11 the first word after the conjunction is an adjective while the third word is a noun.

I had to enable "Matching skip levels" on Terminal Node 1 as well.

This is because there are three "NP" markers in that branch not the two which I had in my diagram.

I don't think either is particularly right or wrong - it just depends on the level of granularity one wishes to impose on the search

Graham

 

Edit: Apologies - multiple post due to my error.

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 6:44 AM

Thank you much!  Still trying to learn this.  It open text anymore difficulty or less difficult?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:04 AM

Hi Orpheus

Orpheus Heyward:
Thank you much!

You are welcome

Orpheus Heyward:
Still trying to learn this

I think we all are!!

Orpheus Heyward:
 It open text anymore difficulty or less difficult?

It is different - it would probably look something more like this

I, personally, find Cascadia easier and provides finer control.

There are some threads which contrast the options - I'll see if I can find some

Graham

EDIT: Have a look at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46299.aspx for a comparison of the different databases.

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