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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jun 18 2012 6:36 AM

Can anyone with Logos give an update as to when we might see Personal Books recognized by the iPad / iPhone app?

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 18 2012 10:21 AM

I too would like to know this, especially in light of Apple not supporting the iPad 1 with iOS 6. Many loyal Logos customers have been waiting for the ability to have our Personal Books on our iPads. While I hope to upgrade to the iPad 3, I cannot do so yet, and I am sure other loyal Logos customers are in a similar position. My concern is that because we are unable to upgrade to iOS 6 we will be unable to take advantage of this when it releases. I hope Logos will work on getting this feature out well before the iPad 1 becomes unable to update its OS.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 18 2012 11:02 AM

Philana Crouch:
My concern is that because we are unable to upgrade to iOS 6 we will be unable to take advantage of this when it releases.

I am unsure what your concern is? What does iOS6 have to do with personal books?

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 18 2012 11:23 AM

alabama24:

Philana Crouch:
My concern is that because we are unable to upgrade to iOS 6 we will be unable to take advantage of this when it releases.

I am unsure what your concern is? What does iOS6 have to do with personal books?

My take on it is (and I share the "concern", though probably with less intensity) is that once the Logos iOS app supports Personal Books, it will only be for iPads that can support iOS 6. The wider concern is will Logos continue to build enhancements for the Logos and Vyrso iOS apps so that all features work on BOTH iOS 5 and iOS 6.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 18 2012 11:58 AM

Randal M Lane:
The wider concern is will Logos continue to build enhancements for the Logos and Vyrso iOS apps so that all features work on BOTH iOS 5 and iOS 6.

I don't think this is an issue. The current app is compatible with iOS 4. I think the personal book issue and iOS 6 are completely unrelated issues. I know Michael is trying to get an answer from Logos (which would be nice Smile), but I personally think the personal book store is a while off (no inside info, just a hunch). I guess what I am trying to say is that when the Logos app becomes incompatible with iOS 5, it will be time to get a new iPad anyway.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 18 2012 9:36 PM

Michael Childs:
Can anyone with Logos give an update as to when we might see Personal Books recognized by the iPad / iPhone app?

This is on the list, but because it requires syncing potentially very large compiled books to the server (and other technical issues), it's a bit further out. When the feature is in, though, there will also be ways to share your compiled books with others.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 8:38 AM

Thanks for the information, Bob.  Appreciate your response.

Of course, one can take the any personal book that he / she created in Logos, and easily convert it to be read on the iPad in one of the many ebook readers.  In that sense you can already read them on the iPad.  But what is missed is the Logos search capability and the intergration with one's entire Logos library.  That is what I look forward to happening further out there.

The sharing of Personal Books will also be nice.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 10:30 AM

Being able to search personal books on an Ipad would be nice. My main use however would be to have one open in split screen with a bible...say notes for preaching, teaching, etc.

I wonder why they cannot be incorporated into our libraries with sharing between users coming later when those issues are worked through and the other Logos priorities have run their course?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 10:38 AM

Fredc:
I wonder why they cannot be incorporated into our libraries with sharing between users coming later when those issues are worked through and the other Logos priorities have run their course?

It seems like you honed in on the second part of Bob's reply, but missed the most important part at first:

Bob Pritchett:
This is on the list, but because it requires syncing potentially very large compiled books to the server (and other technical issues), it's a bit further out. When the feature is in, though, there will also be ways to share your compiled books with others.

The first step for personal books coming to mobile will be the syncing of personal books from within L4. Until that happens we will just have to wait patiently. Smile

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 1:21 PM

This is on the list, but because it requires syncing potentially very large compiled books to the server (and other technical issues), it's a bit further out. When the feature is in, though, there will also be ways to share your compiled books with others.

So, Bob, Logos will allow us to share PBBs with other Logos users after all? In an earlier thread you did not seem to be inclined to allow for this.

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Ronald H. Elwardt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 1:29 PM

How do you convert a personal book to be read on the IPAD?

Can you do this with Ibooks? If so, how?

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 2:37 PM

Ronald H. Elwardt:
Can you do this with Ibooks?
I believe there is more than one way to do this, but the way I do it is to convert my Word document to a PDF when I save it.  You may want to add a table of contents to the beginning of the book first.  I also select the whole document(ctrl + A) and increase the font size to make it easier to read on iPad.  Then I open iTunes and select books on the left and then click on file at the upper left and click on add file to library from the drop down.  I find my file and add it to iTunes.  Then I sync my iPad to iTunes and it goes to iBooks automatically.  If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.  I know others do this differently, but this is the way I found to do it.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 3:07 PM

Ronald H. Elwardt:
How do you convert a personal book to be read on the IPAD?

Personal books are compiled from .docx files. Since there are any number of .docx reading apps (such as pages), there is no reason to convert a personal book to be read on the iPad… Just use the original .docx file.

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 19 2012 10:14 PM

Bob Pritchett:

Michael Childs:
Can anyone with Logos give an update as to when we might see Personal Books recognized by the iPad / iPhone app?

This is on the list, but because it requires syncing potentially very large compiled books to the server (and other technical issues), it's a bit further out. When the feature is in, though, there will also be ways to share your compiled books with others.

Does it require syncing very large compiled books to the server? We just desire the ability to input our work into our Logos Library by storing it on the actual hand held devices. Why would Logos need our work on their servers?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 12:35 AM

Into Grace:
Does it require syncing very large compiled books to the server?

Yes, based on the current architecture of the Logos product set.

One of the guiding principles behind the Logos offering is that resources are made available to you on all the supported devices which you use (within the constraints of licensing arrangements with publishers). This is achieved by providing resources on a central set of servers and then serving them to your devices.

Another principle is that data which users input (such as notes or highlights) are also synchronised and this is achieved by a similar mechanism - uploading to central servers and then distributing to local devices.

As such it is a fairly standard cloud-based model.

One of the challenges which people are facing at the moment is that Personal Books which are created in one computer are not synchronised to their other computers (although the metadata is) which means they need to be compiled on each machine. This will be addressed via the central store to which Bob refers.

With this store being in place it makes sense to use the same mechanism to make resources available to mobile devices as well without introducing another mechanism to create resources on them.

This, at least, is my understanding - hope it is helpful.

Graham

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 7:40 AM

alabama24:

Ronald H. Elwardt:
How do you convert a personal book to be read on the IPAD?

Personal books are compiled from .docx files. Since there are any number of .docx reading apps (such as pages), there is no reason to convert a personal book to be read on the iPad… Just use the original .docx file.

My friend from Alabama is correct that you do not need to convert Personal Books from .docx format to read them on the iPad, and it is true that they also will read fine if converted to .pdf files.  However, I find it far, far more desirable to convert them to .epub books with free software from Calibre, and read them in the ibook reader or Kindle reader.  That is a much better reading experience in my opinion, and is very little trouble.  (Of course, you do that on your computer, then transfer to ipad.) 

Though this lacks the searech and intergration advantages of a Logos book, it is very enjoyable to read, and you can keep both the Logos app and the ibook (or Kindle) app open for quickly going back and forth.  Do it all the time.

For me, this seems to be the best solution to get Personal Books on the iPad until further out there when the Logos app will recognize them.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 7:46 AM

Good idea Michael. Smile

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Ronald H. Elwardt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 9:17 AM

What I would like to do is not just read the document, but we able to highlight, add notes and then to print out my highlights and notes. Is there any way I can do this from my iPad at present? Is there an app for that? I can convert my docx file to a PDF and bring it into ibooks but then I am not able to highlight or add notes. So anyone have any ideas for this?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 9:56 AM

Ronald H. Elwardt:
What I would like to do is not just read the document, but we able to highlight, add notes and then to print out my highlights and notes. Is there any way I can do this from my iPad at present? Is there an app for that? I can convert my docx file to a PDF and bring it into ibooks but then I am not able to highlight or add notes. So anyone have any ideas for this?

Michaels suggestion was to create an ePub version, which should allow you to highlight. There are, however, apps which will allow you to add annotations to pdfs.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 7:28 PM

Ronald H. Elwardt:

What I would like to do is not just read the document, but we able to highlight, add notes and then to print out my highlights and notes. Is there any way I can do this from my iPad at present? Is there an app for that? I can convert my docx file to a PDF and bring it into ibooks but then I am not able to highlight or add notes. So anyone have any ideas for this?

Actually, if you convert your file to .pdf, you can do all of that- highlight, add notes, search, etc. - in the GoodReader app. GoodReader is by far the best for PDF files. Have done it. But for reading a book I still like iBooks. For the kind of study you are describing, use GoodReader until we get personal books on the Logos app.

 

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