BAD DESIGN: Passage Guide 'more' link
Using the PG with a collection on a Bible book, both commentaries and monographs.
- I click more.
- Only five (if I counted correctly) new results turn up for each click, with the result that I have to click an enormous amount of times before I get to the bottom of the list. (ADDED: funny, when I redid the PG with another verse it was ten, no way it was that much the first time. Either way, as you'll see under 5) that too is too little.)
- The list doesn't automatically scroll to the bottom after the new results appear, with the result that I have to scroll it manually between each new click.
- This also means that the added results turn up under the cursor, with the result that the cursor gets on top of a link and displays a popup, hiding many of the results until I move it away.
- The sorting of the results was anything but helpful. My PB article on that precise verse turned up as the absolutely last item on the list (of about 230 or so...). That commentary sections dealing with that verse show up above is natural, but sections dealing with completely different verses? (Not sure if this one is bad design, or me not knowing the best way to do?)
What I'd want instead:
- I click more.
- Considerably more than five new results show up, at least enough to fill half the panel height.
- The list automatically scrolls down as the new results appear, and the new more link automatically positions itself directly under where the cursor already is, ready to be clicked again. Results consequently show up above the cursor and the more link, where they can be immediately read in full.
- The list is sorted so that anything dealing directly with the verse/passage in question shows up above entries that just happen to mention the verse in passing.
- The list being numbered would considerably help when working through results. Or check boxes might be even better, and more flexible. You could use them both for marking where you are, and for remembering interesting results.
- An added all link beside the more link would also be very useful.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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agreed. Mine acts slightly different, but over all the same type of thing.
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fgh said:
The sorting of the results was anything but helpful
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I agree 1500%!!! I have a uservoice suggestion out www.logos.uservoice,cin/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1338685-collections-section-of-the-passage-guide-should- for this very same thing.
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tom collinge said:
I agree 1500%!!!
No more? Logos' indexer can count much higher percentages than that. [:P]
tom collinge said:I have a uservoice suggestion out www.logos.uservoice,cin/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1338685-collections-section-of-the-passage-guide-should- for this very same thing.
The link doesn't work, but apart from that: I'll think a bit about what I want. I don't think I want exactly what you want. The number of hits may be fairly irrelevant, for example. A very specialized article may not bother to mention the verse more than once, in the title (and perhaps not even there, identifying it with a quote instead) -- yet that is precisely the kind of thing you'd want very high up.
And even when hits are important, density would probably generally be more important than the total number of hits.
Furthermore, since we're talking Collections, we're talking monographs, not only commentaries, so basing it on prioritization is going to give commentaries undue weight, while the very reason we used a Collection section and not a Commentary one is likely to be that we want to give monographs extra weight, making sure we don't miss that one book that is dedicated specifically to this pericope or issue or interesting word. After all, I don't need to run a PG to find xyz 14:26 in Hermeneia. [8-|]
Rating may be more interesting than prioritization, but would still need to be used with some caution.
Perhaps several different sorting orders to switch between, like in Search? That might be fairly easy to implement, reusing existing code.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
- I click more.
- Considerably more than five new results show up, at least enough to fill half the panel height.
fgh said:An added all link beside the more link would also be very useful.
These are no longer an issue on 5.1a SR-1 or in 5.1b Beta 1. Now clicking on more makes all of the results appear.
fgh said:The list doesn't automatically scroll to the bottom after the new results appear
fgh said:The list being numbered would considerably help when working through results. Or check boxes might be even better, and more flexible. You could use them both for marking where you are, and for remembering interesting results.
fgh said:The sorting of the results was anything but helpful. My PB article on that precise verse turned up as the absolutely last item on the list (of about 230 or so...). That commentary sections dealing with that verse show up above is natural, but sections dealing with completely different verses? (Not sure if this one is bad design, or me not knowing the best way to do?)
I have created cases for these suggestions for Development.
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Angela Murashov said:
These are no longer an issue on 5.1a SR-1 or in 5.1b Beta 1. Now clicking on more makes all of the results appear.
No, it doesn't. Not in Collections sections. Only in Commentaries.[:(] But it would be nice if it did.
Angela Murashov said:I have created cases for these suggestions for Development.
Thanks, but if you do make Collections work like Commentaries, I no longer want the list to automatically scroll to the bottom. That's a good idea if the list only show me some results at a time, and I have to keep clicking More. It's not a good idea in combination with More displaying all the remaining results. Then it's much better if the list remains where it was, just as in Commentaries now.
I still want the other two, of course.
Only 15 months to get the thread read... Let's see how long it takes to get something fixed.[:D]
(And, yes, I know you're completely innocent. You haven't worked here that long.[:)])
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
Then it's much better if the list remains where it was, just as in Commentaries now
I have created a case for Development about having the Collections section work as the Commentaries section when clicking the 'more' button.
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Thanks.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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