Are the 3 KJV the same?

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 4:33 PM

DID you notice that the collection you suggested "DOES NOT HAVE THE KJV in it?

That is the ONLY one that I would want to make sure is absolutely included.

And it is MISSING

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 5:00 PM

Wayne levi Price:
DID you notice that the collection you suggested "DOES NOT HAVE THE KJV in it?

Free version 7 Basic and Verbum Basic include KJV with Reverse Interlinear tagging so can use visual filters to "see" range of Greek verbal expression.

By the way, this KJV text is a "she" version in Ruth 3:15

FYI: since introductory Logos 8 & Verbum 8 promotion ends on Thu 7 Feb, humanly not know what change(s) are coming for free Basic and Verbum Basic next month.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 5:41 PM

Someone want to explain to me why possible contents of L8 libraries is being discussed under L4?

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 5:51 PM

My installation of Logos 8 has three versions of the KJV text, and I believe they are the same three versions that have been in the software since Logos 4.0 days, namely the Cambridge Paragraph, the 1900 Cambridge, and the 1769 KJV that has been in Logos since the beginning.

I will fully admit that I don't know the exact details about which ones are still for sale, are included in new base packages, or have all the tagging for the fancy Logos features.

But the most recent version of Logos certainly appears to "allow you to have the older KJV Bible."

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 8:29 PM

In the New packages for new people, they will not be able to get the Original KJV one -1769, they do not even show it on the Logos.com website anymore. THey only show the 1900. They are slowly dissolving the Standard KJV icon to blend the powerful name with appendages like 1900, New King James, and many others you can see on the internet like American King James, King James 2000 and many more. 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2019 9:41 PM

Wayne levi Price:

In the New packages for new people, they will not be able to get the Original KJV one -1769, they do not even show it on the Logos.com website anymore. THey only show the 1900. They are slowly dissolving the Standard KJV icon to blend the powerful name with appendages like 1900, New King James, and many others you can see on the internet like American King James, King James 2000 and many more. 

It does seem a bit bizarre. Maybe they're trying to push the Heiser 1879 Cambridge RI.

What I get tired of, is them changing resources I own and no communication. Luckily, Libby (Libronix) keeps the oldie; thank you Libby!. In this case, the 1769 with Strongs, to include the interesting morph coding, OT included. The current one is stripped but they forgot to change the resource info.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 1:02 AM

MJ. Smith:

Someone want to explain to me why possible contents of L8 libraries is being discussed under L4?

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 4:36 AM

That is a simple answer, my friend.

When doing a google search for Bible versions, the link to this forum and string pope up.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 5:40 AM

I have had Logos since Libby myself. What are you referring to when you say 1769 with strongs to include the Morph coding? I want to see if I have that?? Are you referring to the KJV The original? 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 7:37 AM

Wayne levi Price:

I have had Logos since Libby myself. What are you referring to when you say 1769 with strongs to include the Morph coding? I want to see if I have that?? Are you referring to the KJV The original? 

I'm not a KJV person, so I'm just repeating. As I understand it, the closest original Logos might choose would be the 1611 (which I think is unreadable?).  The 1769 might have been the first 'practical' KJV for modern users? Like KSFJ above, I hope for the Bishops.

I also don't know the history of the Logos 1769 KJV. It's an interlinear. English, Strongs lexeme numbers, and verbal morph numbers (if you remember them). The resource was titled 'The King James Version' (the 1900 one didn't have 'The). The verbal morphs came from Pierce (Woodside Bible Fellowship). The last update was 2011-11 (Libby version).

My guess is, like much of Logos' work, they got lazy. NAS also had a Strongs interlinear. In their updated NAS they retained the Strongs, but not the  updated version. (as also the 1900 KJV RI).

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 9:45 AM

Wayne levi Price:

I have had Logos since Libby myself. What are you referring to when you say 1769 with strongs to include the Morph coding? I want to see if I have that?? Are you referring to the KJV The original? 

Hey Wayne, I'm curious. The original post was asking what's the difference between all the KJVs in Logos and which one is the right one. Do you think the 1769 is the right one and not the Pure Cambridge 1900 and if so why? I've read the info linked in earlier posts that was arguing for the 1900. What's the argument for the 1769?

I'm not KJV-only but I'm just curious to know what people think about that and what makes a KJV the right KJV.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2019 10:33 AM

Kiyah:

... I'm not KJV-only but I'm just curious to know what people think about that and what makes a KJV the right KJV.

While we're waiting for Wayne, as above I'm not a KJV'er. But I am interested in 'theological' translation (why MJ and I get tangled up on the Logos Bible Sense tool). Ezra 5:1 is a random example. The 1769 and 1900 KJVs are the same. But if you track forward from 1382 (Wycliffe1), you'll see their treatments shift (in this example, unimportantly). The missing pieces in comparisons like this are the Bishops and 1611 KJV. By the time of the ISV, as an example, the translation is pretty much a disaster.  I could select other examples.

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 9:44 AM

Wayne levi Price:

In the New packages for new people, they will not be able to get the Original KJV one -1769...



With all due respect, Logos has NEVER offered the ORIGINAL KJV. Very few people have even seen one page of the original KJV. 
I saw one page of the original KJV. It was purchased for $400 and on display. 
The KJV has been revised many times throughout the years. And, YES, there are many differences. The original and several early revisions are unreadable to us today. 
I will not get into a KJV and why it is not the end all translation debate. Everyone has their favorite version, and what IS important is that we are reading God's word. I will agree that I believe there far too many translations, and that is rather ridiculous. Of course, in a software collection such as Logos, and others, it is awesome. 

Below is a facsimile page of the original 1611 KJV. https://manifoldgreatness.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/2013-05-004.jpg Please note the odd-to-us spellings. There is no consistency in what is a "s" "r" and other letters. Thanks to Webster, we now have consistent spelling. So, please understand, The KJV has been revised many many times throughout the years, and chances are you never saw the original KJV, and probably not any version or reproduction thereof. 
But, enjoy the image of an original page, below:












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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 9:55 AM

MJ. Smith:

Someone want to explain to me why possible contents of L8 libraries is being discussed under L4?


Bunny trails. 
That's the nature of open discussions. The topic will be one point, by the time the end it is somewhere never even dreamed of. 

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Noah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2022 11:48 AM

"The only pure Bible."

Even though we take studying scripture very seriously, the truth is, the King James Version will always be just that--a translation of the original text. There are many variables to consider when looking at text, including finding manuscripts older than the ones used in the original KJV. Not only that, but we must also remember that any English version is a translation, and we should seek out the original text when one is able (study Greek and Hebrew if possible). I personally use the tools within Logos (inline, Strong’s, text comparison, etc…), multiple translations (KJV, ESV, etc.), and most importantly I pray for revelation (for God to reveal Himself) since this is what all this studying is about (John 17:3, John 5:39-40). I have studied the Bible like many of you here--a lifetime-- and I must say that the leading(s) of the Holy Spirit far out way me or the arguments we see in these types of discussions. Yes, I believe discussion helps others see truth, but in the end, a personal walk with God and His Son brings life. With the help of the Holy Spirit--we see truth.

 

John 16:13–15 (ESV)13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

John 17:3 (ESV)3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

John 17:3 (KJV 1900)3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:3 (AV)3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 5:38–40 (KJV 1900)38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 5:39–40 (ESV)39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2022 11:53 AM

Welcome to the Faithlife software forums. Please note that they are to discuss the Logos/Verbum/Proclaim software and resources for it - not for general religious discussions.

Noah:
the truth is, the King James Version will always be just that--a translation of the original text.
Given that no original manuscripts exist, are you requesting resources on manuscript transmission for your Logos library? If so, I'll be glad o provide suggestions. Otherwise, please read the forum guidelines (upper right of the main page) and come to the forums frequently -- we're the best place to get your questions answered.

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Noah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2022 11:56 AM

Let me guess, Batman is not a believer? This is what happens when one focuses on translations over relationship and revelation.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2022 1:05 PM

Let me guess. You are a troll as you remain outside the forum guidelines and are posting in a forum on software that more than a decade out of date. Batman's beliefs and your theological assumptions are off limits to the forum. It has nothing to do with Faithlife software.

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2022 6:55 PM

Excellent response MJ Smith! 

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