How do I transfer Logos 4 from Windows XP to Windows 8

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Michael Parry-Thomas | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Aug 29 2012 10:30 AM

Hi everybody

Following the announcement that logos 4 is no longer going to Be support Windows on XP, I began to panic, the first thing came to mind is about the cost of upgrading to a brand-new  operating system, And next thing was Will my laptop be acceptable running a new  operating system, as there is no way I could afford to upgrade my laptop, I started to read Some reviews About Windows 8, And watched videos demonstrating windows 8  I can understand the concerns about the start menu and about Metro apps, This change is going to happen anyway after reading more information about the specifications, I think it will be okay to upgrade  my laptop.

The next thing I am very concerned about if I upgrade to Windows 8. What will I need to backup before my new installation of Windows 8, My library has about 5000 resources I don't want to go through downloading all the resources from scratch?

Is it  possible somebody at  Logos Technical support  called put together a step-by-step on what to backup and how to restore it to the new operating system?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 10:38 AM

Michael Parry -Thomas:
Is it  possible somebody at  Logos Technical support  called put together a step-by-step on what to backup and how to restore it to the new operating system?

I believe it was Dave Hooton who put the steps down in the wiki:

http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers

You will probably want to use method 2.

You may want to consider getting an external hard drive for this purpose and for regular backups of your documents. They are not terribly expensive. I have one that plugs in via USB (it also needs to be plugged into electrical power).

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 4:27 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

You will probably want to use method 2.

This still works in Windows 8 (Release Preview).

Richard DeRuiter:
I have one that plugs in via USB (it also needs to be plugged into electrical power).

A USB portable hard drive (750 GB or so) doesn't need a separate power supply and is OK for backup. Look for USB 2 for an old laptop; USB 3.0 for a new laptop (which should have a USB 3 port as it is much faster than USB 2).

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 6:05 PM

Michael Parry -Thomas:
I think it will be okay to upgrade  my laptop.

Do you know that during an upgrade of Win XP you will lose your programs and settings (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/faq)? If you tried to install programs afterward do you know which ones are compatible --> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/en-US/CompatCenter/Home (you may lose some of the laptop manufacturer's utilities that you now depend on even if you have a recovery CD/DVD or can download from their site).

My concern is whether you will be able to keep drivers (or get W8 ones) for the hardware on your laptop  e.g. sound, video, screen/monitor, CD/DVD, USB, NIC (Ethernet), Wireless, Camera, trackball/touchpad! 

I think that you need 32-bit Windows 8 for best results, but how much RAM do you have as 2 GB would be the minimum?

 

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Michael Parry-Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 30 2012 5:22 PM

Hi everybody

 

 thank you for your help and advice,

My laptop as 4 GB of ram, My hard drive was upgraded to 160 GB

I have downloaded some Windows 7 drivers hoping they would be okay in Windows 8

Maybe my hardware will be picked up by Windows 8,

I use a 500  GB  USB Drive to backup my data files,There was plenty space Left on the Drive to back up the  Logos 4 Files Thank you for the pointers on how to do this I followed the instructions on wiki ,

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 30 2012 9:32 PM

Michael Parry -Thomas:
I have downloaded some Windows 7 drivers hoping they would be okay in Windows 8

Then you need to hope that Win 8 has access to those drivers (on its DVD) else it will ask you for them OR stop the installation; which means you having them in a suitable format on a USB drive (if it has a driver for that - Win XP would ask for them on a floppy drive). Let's say that Win 8 installs OK because it can cover the basics of the chipset (Intel/AMD) and important peripherals.  First you need to install a decent video driver as the generic one could give you a blurry LCD. Then you need to look in Device Manager and look at the yellow question marks and red exclamation marks to see what peripherals it doesn't recognise or aren't working. So hope you have the Win 7 drivers for those. Even if it looks OK your USB could be stuck at v1.0 (slow) instead of v2.0 and your hard drive could be very slow with a generic (Microsoft) driver...

What is your plan if the installation fails?

Perhaps you need to try this out with the Release Preview (download the 32-bit ISO and burn to a DVD) and install W8 to a blank partition on your 160 GB drive (which means finding 30 GB of space using a partitioning tool).

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 31 2012 9:22 AM

Dave Hooton:
What is your plan if the installation fails?

According to the Win8 FAQ the installation disk runs a test first to ensure compatibility.

You can also check for hardware compatibility here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/en-US/CompatCenter/Home

For system compatibility (i.e., your laptop), you may need to check with your manufacturer; else you'll have to check your hardware/drivers one by one at the compatibility center, or with the manufacturer.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 31 2012 11:43 AM

Richard DeRuiter:

I believe it was Dave Hooton who put the steps down in the wiki:

http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers

Richard, this line in the wiki post presents the problem-

"THESE PROCEDURES ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY LOGOS SO YOU PERFORM THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK!"

 

I think what most of us would like is an official step-by-step plan that is supported by Logos so that our risk is minimized. 

With pictures.  ;-)

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 31 2012 3:20 PM

Doc B:

I think what most of us would like is an official step-by-step plan that is supported by Logos so that our risk is minimized. 

 

The wiki principle for a quick installation is sanctioned - see http://www.logos.com/support/windows/L4/quickreinstall

But the wiki has steps that cover a fresh installation as well as a reinstallation.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 31 2012 4:00 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

Dave Hooton:
What is your plan if the installation fails?

According to the Win8 FAQ the installation disk runs a test first to ensure compatibility.

You can also check for hardware compatibility here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/en-US/CompatCenter/Home

For system compatibility (i.e., your laptop), you may need to check with your manufacturer; else you'll have to check your hardware/drivers one by one at the compatibility center, or with the manufacturer.

I had a manufacturer-supported upgrade from XP to Vista when the latter first came to market in 2007 and it included a BIOS update, which i haven't yet mentioned here! Some implications for BIOS are presented here.

My concern is that  XP to Win 8 is much more risky than XP to Vista, especially when you have to do it yourself, and especially with laptops. There will be compatibility issues. It may not be possible to install Win 8 because of hardware issues.

So what is the plan?

Realistically, Michael needs to get a new Win 7 laptop OR stay with XP because I would not even attempt the upgrade with that many question marks.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 31 2012 4:16 PM

Dave Hooton:
My concern is that  XP to Win 8 is much more risky than XP to Vista, especially when you have to do it yourself, and especially with laptops. There will be compatibility issues. It may not be possible to install Win 8 because of hardware issues.

Dave, you're right on (as usual). Though, if you remember, there were a lot of Vista compatible machines that were sold with XP, since Vista had such a bad reputation (undeserved, IMHO). So it the laptop could be upgradable - it depends on what's under the hood.

It just occurred to me that Microsoft does have a Win7 compatibility program Michael could run on his laptop. This would tell him if it's possible to upgrade to Win7. If so, this leaves Win7 as an option, with the potential of an upgrade path to Win8. If not, there's no point in trying to upgrade to Win8.

Michael, as an intermediate step between where you are and what you might do next I recommend downloading and running the Win7 Compatibility Advisor.

Here's the URL for it: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20

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