Logos 4.0a Beta 1 Available
Logos 4.0a Beta Testing Guidelines
Important Information
IMPORTANT: Logos 4.0a Beta 1 is beta software. It may corrupt your computer or delete your data. The Passage Guide, searching, or viewing books may stop working. We recommend installing Logos 4.0a Beta 1 only on a dedicated testing machine.
Logos 4.0a cannot be installed side-by-side with Logos 4.0; it will replace your existing installation. (However, since Logos 4 uses a per-user installation, you can create a new Windows user account on your computer and install Logos 4.0a under that account for testing.)
Logos 4.0a cannot be downgraded to Logos 4.0. You will need to uninstall, delete all Logos4 folders, then reinstall Logos 4.0 if you no longer wish to run Logos 4.0a.
Do not share resources or Data folders between 4.0 and 4.0a Beta 1; the format of data files and (some) resources in 4.0a Beta 1 has changed, making them unreadable by 4.0.
Some documents in Logos 4.0a Beta 1 have changed their internal formats since the release of 4.0; these documents will not be synced to your 4.0 installation. The new types of documents that will be added to 4.0a (e.g., verse lists) will also not be synced. However, existing document types that haven’t changed their internal formats will continue to sync between 4.0 and 4.0a Beta 1.
Tips
If you don’t have a separate computer for testing, consider creating a new Windows user account for beta testing. Install the beta under that account, keeping the stable version on your regular Windows account. You can still log in with the same logos.com email and password to share your licenses and settings between the two accounts. You should not share Resources folders, as 4.0a may download resources that can only be read by 4.0a, which would corrupt your 4.0 installation.
How to Join the Beta
Run the special beta installer here: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe
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Installed no problem... Any particular areas we need to look into testing out - Release Notes or anything that will let us know what to look for?
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Is there anyplace that explains the changes and updates from 4.0? I would like to know what the changes are before installing. Specifically, will this require a reindex of the the library?
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John I can tell you that I did not need another indexing. I installed right after the posting and have been playing around to see if I see anything different until there are some Release Notes posted and have not come across anything really noticeable yet.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Bryan Albert said:
If you don’t have a separate computer for testing, consider creating a new Windows user account for beta testing. Install the beta under that account, keeping the stable version on your regular Windows account. You can still log in with the same logos.com email and password to share your licenses and settings between the two accounts. You should not share Resources folders, as 4.0a may download resources that can only be read by 4.0a, which would corrupt your 4.0 installation.
Bryan,
On Windows 7 (must update my sig), I created a new account with administrative privileges. I downloaded and installed L4a. It installed and immediately on sign in it stopped working.
I logged off that account and entered my regular account. I was just going to delete v4 and install the new Beta. I went to my computer and saw the install directory for 4s (c:\Logos4a), I enetered it, double clicked on the .exe and it started immediately. I now have 4a running on my computer under my original user account .
I'm not sure what's happened...
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Frank Sauer said:
John I can tell you that I did not need another indexing. I installed right after the posting and have been playing around to see if I see anything different until there are some Release Notes posted and have not come across anything really noticeable yet.
Look in program settings - there's the ability to turn off visual cues and visual bookmarks (wear marks)
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The "Cited By" tool....
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The commentary section in the PG seems much faster to me (but the Bible Explorer commentaries section is still slow). Is it just me?
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
The commentary section in the PG seems much faster to me (but the Bible Explorer commentaries section is still slow). Is it just me?
Seemed fast enough to me...
I haven't used Bible Explorer for a while.
The collapsible sections are new aren't they? It remembers their state as well - Bravo!
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Check out the new search results option: datasheet.
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Phil, I ran a couple search function, but do not see anything labeled datasheet. Where would one find this function?
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Frank Sauer said:
Phil, I ran a couple search function, but do not see anything labeled datasheet. Where would one find this function?
It's a display option under Bible search and morph search.
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I'll check it out as soon as I am done indexing...
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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The big new features are the "Datasheet" search analysis (presently only for Bible and Morph searches, but eventually for all searches), the new Cited By tool, and Explain the screen - F9. (Just hit F9 at any time to try it.)
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Check out the Interesting Words section of the Passage Guide. Cool new look.
“... every day in which I do not
penetrate more deeply into the knowledge of God’s Word in Holy Scripture
is a lost day for me. I can only move forward with certainty upon the
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Bob Pritchett said:
Explain the screen
Very cool - more importantly, helpful for new users... I'm not sure about the orange flames....
Bob Pritchett said:Cited By tool
I still don't know why these tools are automatically set to follow when triggered by a right-click. It's so contrary to their function (plus can we please have a keyboard short cut to clear all links).
I like the ability to set different collections to be included... The collapsible state of the sections.
Compact view is excellent!
The ability to chose "By Book" - thank you!!!!
But, there don't seem to be many resources listed...
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Damian McGrath said:
I still don't know why these tools are automatically set to follow when triggered by a right-click.
I agree. This really needs to be changed. I don't know how many times I've lost the data I looked up.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Crashed twice while opening 4000 questions from tabbed library.
EDIT: Seems to crash every time I open any resource, either from a tab or drop down menu. Also crashed with TSK from PG.
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sniff sniff...didn't take your advised and saved over my 4.0. I have not been able to open any resources
EDIT: I was able to open 1000 Images
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I turned off visual bookmarks, and the existing ones disappeared, however, as I use books, new ones continue to show up.
If I turn it back on the old ones reappear in addition to the new ones.
If I turn it off again they are all gone again, but the usage of a book still creates new ones.
This doesn't seem right.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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I like the improvements to the topics and interesting words in the PG although it looks cool, finding words is a bit more difficult. The cited by window is a good idea and being able to select which collections are included is wonderful. I like how quickly it populated and then moved to the search window for larger hits. I found this loading much faster that 4.0. All in all I find the improvements outstanding. The f9 explain this ... is not useful to me, but may be to new users...
Keep up the great work.
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Bryan Albert said:
Logos 4.0a Beta Testing Guidelines
Important Information
If you don’t have a separate computer for testing, consider creating a new Windows user account for beta testing. Install the beta under that account, keeping the stable version on your regular Windows account. You can still log in with the same logos.com email and password to share your licenses and settings between the two accounts. You should not share Resources folders, as 4.0a may download resources that can only be read by 4.0a, which would corrupt your 4.0 installation.
Bryan,
How can I figure out how much disk space will be required? Will it duplicate all my 4.0 resources? I'm not sure I have enough disk space on my c: drive to handle a complete duplication, plus profile space. I realize it will depend on my license level, but is there a way to calculate it?
Thanks,
Chris
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Is it OK if I upgrade to Beta on one PC but keep the other PC at 4.0 SR-7 (both PC's using the same Logos account to log in)?
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Just to updated on my woes, I can run just about anything and all then information is displayed, but I can't open any of the resources except the media resources. For instance I can open the text comparison, no problem, but I can't open the NKJV; L4 freezes. In the Passage guide if I click on the topic the topical shows up underneath, and the popup has the proper content, but if I click on the topic L4 just freezes. Any ideas? do I need to send logs and if so holding down CTRL while opening the program records it, right? Where is it then located? I miss my L4. I don't want to turn to L3 :-(
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Philip Spitzer said:
Just to updated on my woes, I can run just about anything and all then information is displayed, but I can't open any of the resources except the media resources. For instance I can open the text comparison, no problem, but I can't open the NKJV; L4 freezes. In the Passage guide if I click on the topic the topical shows up underneath, and the popup has the proper content, but if I click on the topic L4 just freezes. Any ideas? do I need to send logs and if so holding down CTRL while opening the program records it, right? Where is it then located? I miss my L4. I don't want to turn to L3 :-(
Are you not willing to try a reinstall?
I have to....... because the mutliple user thing royally stuffed my install.
What I also now know is that uninstalling deletes the index and resource files.... I'm in the midst of copying everything from my netbook....
Just think Philip - with a new Beta and so many woes, you'll hit 2000 in no time
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I officially acknowledge my addiction. Hi. My name is Philip Spitzer and I'm a Logaholic.
I couldn't stay away for a day.
As soon as the new beta came, I rushed to it, throwing caution to the wind.
I'm reinstalling L4.0a, which means a 9.7 gig download.
And the worst is, I'm wishing the new download meter (which I like by the way) updated in decimal increments so I didn't have to wait so long for the number to change.
Sigh........
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Philip,
I assume the Beta was released in the private forum for a reason:
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Could we at least have the decency to not crow about all of the cool things that the new beta has while I lack the ability to log on!! [:(]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
Could we at least have the decency to not crow about all of the cool things that the new beta has while I lack the ability to log on!!
Robert,
The Beta really sucks - it's awful - it crashed Philip's computer. You're not missing anything.... really!!!!!!
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Philip Spitzer said:
Decency? Here? Surely you have us confused.
Philip...I'm GLAD you are facing a 9.7 gb download! [st]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:Philip Spitzer said:
Decency? Here? Surely you have us confused.
Philip...I'm GLAD you are facing a 9.7 gb download!
I'm glad I have Fios :-)
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Beta!
Did Somebody say BETA!
WHOO WHOO!
Downloading now in my shiny new beta account on my computer. Just gotta share my app data folder so I can scan the files and save some of the download....
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Well the crowds now almost all here!
Are we allowed to have fun on the Beta sub-forum?
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You have my permission DamiAn. Go ahead, goof off now.Damian McGrath said:Are we allowed to have fun on the Beta sub-forum?
PS. I really don't have the authority to give you permission. But I won't stop you. [;)]
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Yeah but you spelled spelt wrong. [:p]Damian McGrath said:for I have seen my name spelt correctly!
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Thomas Black said:
Yeah but you spelled spelt wrong.
I learned that when I was young but all my dictionaries have since been burned, so I can't consult them.
Oh well no point crying over spilled milk.
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Damian McGrath said:
Well the crowds now almost all here!
Created 'Logos Beta' account.....downloaded and installed....indexed overnight......woke up and played (ahem, I mean studied)...testing out new features while studying Malachi.
So far, I have mixed reactions to various tasks...but everything was done on a whim.....no real "testing". Overall, I enjoy the new features....it is very visually pleasing... if not a tad too feminine for me (my wife loves it...makes her think of the Logos 'Bible Study' magazine....I think she is the type who is smack in the middle of being the target of Logos' marketing).
Mitch
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Don't you mean 'spilt'?Damian McGrath said:Oh well no point crying over spilled milk.
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I am loving me some Datasheet!
Seriously useful! Now we are talking! I am verklempt!Did anybody lose their collections besides me?
My layouts, favorites, bookmarks, clippings, notes, reading plans, and highlighting all synced to the beta version but no collections.Also, DamiAn, did you do something to get the Cited By tool to list the individual books in sublists as shown in your screenshot?
Can't seem to get mine to do that . .
.Full disclaimer and possible cause of discrepancy: I installed the beta on a separate account, canceled the download process, and copied the entire folder structure from Logos4/Data/{random.name} in the old install to the beta install.
It didn't download anything or reindex but seems to be working fine other than the missing collections and the Cited By tool apparently working differently.
May not be the best way to upgrade but I was able to check out the datasheet (did I mention that I love that) after about a twenty minute process.
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RussQuinn said:
Also, DamiAn, did you do something to get the Cited By tool to list the individual books in sublists as shown in your screenshot?
Russ, go to the panel menu - all of this is new:
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Oh I see. It is on mine too.
Works great! That is very helpful. Thanks for the help.
Did your collections come over from your old install?
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My collections came over perfectly. I installed over my 4.0 account.
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JohnFidel said:
My collections came over perfectly. I installed over my 4.0 account.
Got my collections back.
I copied the ResourceCollectionManager database file in Logos4/Documents/{randomnumber}/ResourceCollectionManager from my old install to the new install.
I apparently have everything now.
I'm not sure if I've compromised my ability to be helpful as a Beta tester with this process.
I'm thinking I might do a fresh install tomorrow when I am on a much faster internet connection at work to eliminate any possible problems caused by all my hacking.
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Phil Gons said:Frank Sauer said:
Phil, I ran a couple search function, but do not see anything labeled datasheet. Where would one find this function?
It's a display option under Bible search and morph search.
Don't see it. I did a Bible search for predestined and for Jesus. Neither have it. I installed using the above link and when I go to Help About it says sr7. Should it say 4.0a? If so then why didn't I get the beta with the link above?
UPDATE: I deleted the intaller from my downloads folder and re-downloaded and re-ran it and now it says beta and I see the datasheet.
Can someone explain the benefit? What would I use this for? I have some guesses but I'd like to hear your uses.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Don't see it. I did a Bible search for predestined and for Jesus. Neither have it. I installed using the above link and when I go to Help About it says sr7. Should it say 4.0a? If so then why didn't I get the beta with the link above?
Kevin,
Not sure why your download didn't work but I used the same link and my new install says this . . .
I replicated your search for predestined and have the datasheet as an option.
Russ
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