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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 3:12 AM

Thank you Andrew for the reply, and again great work. This is proving to be a great tool and very useful addition to my library organization!

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 5:14 AM

MJ. Smith:

The additional changes I made to the suggestions above:

MJ

Thanks for all the suggestions/corrections.  I've changed most of them on my own lists, which I'll publish in full again here after a few more changes.  I did have a few queries though.

Andrew of Crete - I only found him mentioned in one resource, History of the Holy Eastern Church (6 vols), a pre-pub that does not actually list him as the author.  I'm not against adding him to the list, but I wasn't sure if he would be listed as an author within the Logos resource.

Ben Witherington - Witherington describes himself as a cradle Methodist, but writes critically about the Weslyan tradition (e.g. The Problem with Evangelical Theology: Testing the Exegetical Foundations of Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Wesleyanism), so I wasn't sure about including him.  Does he still self-identify as Wesleyan?

Sebastian P. Brock - While Brock is clearly an expert in Syriac studies and has been awarded the Medal of Saint Ephrem the Syrian by the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch, I wasn't sure that he was definitely writing from within the Orthodox tradition.  I'm trying to stick to people who self-identify within a tradition, rather than people who write about them.  Are you sure that Brock writes from within the tradition?

Gorgias Press - This publisher claims to be independent and publishes books about a number of traditions, including Orthodoxy (http://www.gorgiaspress.com/bookshop/t-about.aspx).  I wasn't sure they published books from within an Orthodox tradition.

It would be great if you could address these.

Thanks again.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 5:30 AM

MJ. Smith:

I cheated and used Excel. I'm going to modify the categories slightly as well. Pre-reformation doesn't quite work for me ... I'm going:

  • Orthodox-Oriental for Syriac/Nestorian
  • Gnostic
  • Pre-schism for up to 1042
  • Orthodox-Byzantine for Byzantine-based Orthodox
  • Pre-reformation for post-schism Western Church

Admittedly, some sections are not brimming with resources but ... I have come to the conclusion that I don't know what Evangelical is. I understand it doesn't include the historical European Evangelical churches. But I now understand that not every publisher in the Evangelical Publishers Association are Evangelicals - they may be Lutheran or Reformed.

I've deliberately steered clear of Evangelical, largely because it is so controversial and is defined differently in different places, as well as within different traditions.  I think the characteristics you list elsewhere probably do not apply to all who would self-identify as Evangelical.

It would be great if you could flesh out a bit the definitions for the categories you listed.  Do you have any rules for them yet?  Although I've tried to start with broad category definitions, I would be happy if these were sub-categorised, as I tried to suggest by including Southern Baptists in the original list, as well as Baptists.  It's clear that a lot of care will be needed to do so though.  Can I tentatively request any further suggestions for subcategories?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 5:37 AM

Andrew Baguley:
Andrew of Crete

See Thinking of Lent (or the Great Fast)? Traditional hymn - Canon of St. Andrew of Crete.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 7:18 AM

Hmm Interesting idea.

The evangelical question is a good one Andrew - not everyone who says they are evangelical actually is, and not everyone who distances themselves from evangelicalism is not.

Reformed for instance - in my mind - is a subset of evangelicalism. Certain other traditions are not.

I sort of see the evangelical lable as a meta category, and really it probably consists of two parts: Conservative, and not conservative.

Under conservative evangelicalism one might have from your perspective which ever traditions you find to be more conservative. I started to make a list, and came to the conclusion that the list might look one way for a baptist, and another for a pentecostal, perhaps another for reformed, and more still to the Nazarene (do they even use computers?). I doubt anyone would self title themselves liberal, even if they seem to be that way from my studies of scripture - and the inverse is true, I might be offended if someone called me a liberal - or it might turn you into my discipleship project, or at a minimum cause me to question your own interpretations of scripture. Thus I think evangelical is simply a vessel into which we all pour a slightly different meaning based upon our current perspectives.

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 10:16 AM

Some in the Reformed camp may object: http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/NH02/04e.html

abondservant:

Hmm Interesting idea.

The evangelical question is a good one Andrew - not everyone who says they are evangelical actually is, and not everyone who distances themselves from evangelicalism is not.

Reformed for instance - in my mind - is a subset of evangelicalism. Certain other traditions are not.

I sort of see the evangelical lable as a meta category, and really it probably consists of two parts: Conservative, and not conservative.

Under conservative evangelicalism one might have from your perspective which ever traditions you find to be more conservative. I started to make a list, and came to the conclusion that the list might look one way for a baptist, and another for a pentecostal, perhaps another for reformed, and more still to the Nazarene (do they even use computers?). I doubt anyone would self title themselves liberal, even if they seem to be that way from my studies of scripture - and the inverse is true, I might be offended if someone called me a liberal - or it might turn you into my discipleship project, or at a minimum cause me to question your own interpretations of scripture. Thus I think evangelical is simply a vessel into which we all pour a slightly different meaning based upon our current perspectives.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 10:30 AM

5 Solas:

Some in the Reformed camp may object: http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/NH02/04e.html



Case in point, evangelical depends on where you stand - perhaps you could call it a question of fuzzy logic.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 12:58 PM

Andrew,

I don't know if you've already put together something like this, but if not, this might help. It's an Excel workbook that contains all the data in the rules that you have posted on this thread. I have not incorporporated any of the other changes suggested so that you can curate it as you choose. All the names are in easy to edit list and the rules are built automatically. It does contain a small VBA function for concatenating the lists of names so you will see the macro warning when opening.

[EDIT: Stupid typo.]

6038.Logos - Denominational Rules.zip

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Ben Hein | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 1:45 PM

Im confused. Are all of these groups just suggestions for a future addon in Logos, or can we actually do something with these author/publisher breakdowns and provide our own categorization of resources now?

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 1:52 PM

Ben Hein:

Im confused. Are all of these groups just suggestions for a future addon in Logos, or can we actually do something with these author/publisher breakdowns and provide our own categorization of resources now?

You can use them to create collections in Logos.  Collections can be used to restrict searches, and you can filter your library with them now in Logos 5.

Open the Logos Collections tool, paste one of the rules found here into the "Rule" field, name the collection appropriately, and you've got a new collection.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 2:10 PM

Sorry, I forgot Andrew of Crete is just a PB - so critical I assumed he was in Logos.

It was my understanding that Witherington is an ordained UMC pastor and teaches at a UMC approved serminary.

With Brock it is simply that reading him over the years, he sounded Orthodox ... not great evidence but otherwise the category is very thin.

Gorgias Press, you are correct that it does not belong.

For my purposes, perhaps "evangelical" would best be replaced by a "self-declared non-denominational" category although my tongue would get very sore as I bit it each time I saw the tag.

For Orthodox-Oriental I'm using:

Author:("Brock, Sebastian P.","Evagrius") and manually adding a bibliography of Christianity in Ethiopia. In theory, I'd subtract out those who precede the Nestorian schism ... but we don't really have the resources to make this modification necessary.

For Gnositicsm I have simply added the titles I wanted included.

For Orthodox-Byzantine I'm using:

Author:(“Clendenin, Daniel B”,"Nicodemus the Hagiorite","Agapius the Monk") OR Publisher:(“St. Vladimir's Seminary Press”) but I subtract out the pre-schism collection

For pre-schism I'm using:

Author:("Andrew of Crete", “Augustine of Hippo”, “Basil the Great”, “Benedict of Nursia”, “Bede”, “Boethius”, “Cyprian of Carthage”, “Cyril of Alexandria”, “Cyril of Jerusalem”, “Eusebius”, “Gregory of Nyssa”, “Gregory the Great”, “Hippolytus”, “Isidore of Seville”, “John Chrysostom”, “John Damascene”, “Melito of Sardis”, “Origen”, "Pachomius",“Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite”,“St. Jerome”, "Saint Patrick",“Tertullian”, “Theodore of Mopsuestia”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

For post-schism pre-reformation I am using:

Author:(“Abelard, Peter”, “Albert the Great”,"Alighieri, Dante", “Anselm of Canterbury”, “Anthony of Padua and Lisbon”, “Aquinas”, “Bernard of Clairvaux”, “Bonaventure”, “Catherine of Siena”, “Francis of Assisi”,“Heloise”, “Hugh of St. Victor”,"Hugh of Saint Victor", “Jacques de Vitry”, “Richard Rolle”,“Thomas à Kempis”)

Thanks to the Lutheran updates, my distribution is looking much better. Adding E. B. Pusey to the Anglicans also helps ... as they are smaller than I would like.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 6:47 PM

list developed through Wikipedia:

Walther Zimmerli - Reformed
Erich Zenger - Catholic
Ronald F. Youngblood - Baptist
Kenneth S. Wuest - Dispensationalist
G. Ernest Wright - Presbyterian
Charles Henry Hamilton Wright - Anglican
Hans Walter Wolff - "German Protestant"
Donald Wiseman - Evangelical
Lindsay Wilson - Presbyterian
Pete Wilcox - Anglican
George Whitefield - Anglican
Claus Westermann - "German Protestant"
Gordon Wenham - Evangelical
Moshe Weinfeld - Jewish
Robert E. Webber - Anglican
Isaac Watts - Nonconformist
Rick Warren - Evangelical
Ralph Wardlaw - Presbyterian
Henry Wansbrough - Catholic

Note what to do with Nonconformist and German Protestant is to be determined.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 8:44 PM

a second block from Wikipedia:

Karl Josef von Hefele - Catholic
W. E. Vine - Plymouth Brethren
Richard Chenevix Trench - Anglican
Anthony C. Thiselton - Anglican
Theodoret of Cyrus - Pre-schism
The Episcopal Church - Anglican
Joni Eareckson Tada - Evangelical
Charles Swindoll - Evangelical
Carroll Stuhlmueller - Catholic
Moses Stuart - Congregational
James Strong - Methodist
Joseph Stock - Anglican
Gardiner Spring - mainline protestant
E. A. Speiser - Jewish
Sozomen - pre schism
Socrates Scholasticus - pre-schism
James K. A. Smith - radical orthodoxy
Hannah Whitall Smith - Holiness
Charles Sheldon - Congregational
Herbert Edward Ryle - Anglican
Christina G. Rossetti - Anglican
Paschal Robinson - Catholic
Edward Reynolds - Anglican
Matt Redman - Evangelical

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 26 2013 11:36 PM

Yes, I am avoiding what I should be doing ....

a third block from Wikipedia:

Mark Allan Powell - Lutheran
John Polkinghorne - Anglican
Paige Patterson - Southern Baptist
Robin Parry - Evangelical (Universalist)
John Ortberg - Presbyterian
Thomas C. Oden - Methodist
John Nolland - Anglican
Eugene Nida - Baptist
J. M. Neale - Anglican
Roland E. Murphy - Catholic
William L. Moran - Catholic
Dwight Lyman Moody - Evangelical
Bruce M. Metzger - Presbyterian
Brian McLaren - Evangelical
Scot McKnight - Anabaptist
John McKenzie - Catholic
John William McGarvey - Restorationist
Josh McDowell - Evangelical
I. Howard Marshall - Methodist
Brennan Manning - Catholic
Bruce Malina - Catholic
Paul L. Maier - Lutheran
John MacQuarrie - Presbyterian
Ulrich Luz - "German Protestant"
Gerd Ludemann - "German Protestant"
Robert Lowth - Anglican
John Lloyd - Anglican
Richard Frederick Littledale - Anglican
Joseph Barber Lightfoot - Anglican
Miriam Lichtheim - Jewish
Peter Leithart - Presbyterian
Kirsopp Lake - Anglican

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 27 2013 2:08 AM

Last wikipedia group of the night ... I'm off in the general direction of bed.

George W. Knight III - Presbyterian
Hans-Josef Klauck - Catholic
George A. Kiraz - Orthodox: Oriental
Joseph Kenny - Catholic
J. N. D. Kelly - Anglican
Craig S. Keener - Baptist
J. Ellsworth Kalas - Methodist
Andrew Jukes - Plymouth Brethren
Jesse Lyman Lurlbut - Methodist
John Howson - Anglican
Fenton John Anthony Hort - Anglican
Morna Hooker - Methodist
Philip Henry - Nonconformist
Matthew Henry - Presbyterian
E. W. Hengstenberg - Lutheran
Michael S. Heiser - Evangelical
James Hastings - Presbyterian
R. K. Harrison - Evangelical
James Hamilton - Presbyterian
David P. Gushee - Evangelical
Hermann Gunkel - Lutheran
Moshe Greenberg - Jewish
Jonathan A. Goldstein - Jewish
Robert Baker Girdlestone - Anglican
Christian D. Ginsburg - Jewish
Francis Ernest Gigot - Catholic
Louie Giglio - Evangelical
David E. Garland - Baptist
David Noel Freedman - Presbyterian
R. T. France - Anglican
John Foxe - Anglican (?)
Frederick Field - Anglican
William J. Federer - Evangelical

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 27 2013 9:00 AM

Agreed. Some see some "Evangelicals" as "Evanjelly" (or jello, fitting the mold of the dreamer). Just not a good term ... as understood today.

abondservant:

5 Solas:

Some in the Reformed camp may object: http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/NH02/04e.html



Case in point, evangelical depends on where you stand - perhaps you could call it a question of fuzzy logic.

Yours In Christ

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 27 2013 1:21 PM

Peace, Martha!              I've always considered my wife to be the world's most competent and capable "energizer bunny," but sometimes I think you are in the running for that title!

                                                           *smile*

That's a colossal amount of work!           Well-done, indeed!

                              Wanna work still a little harder and put it (edit!  "collaborate it?) into an Excel File???                   <hopeful grin>

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 27 2013 1:44 PM

Next to last wikipedia segment

James D. G. Dunn - Methodist
Dinesh D'Sousa - Reformed
Samuel Rolles Driver - Anglican
John Drane - Presbyterian/Ecumenical
Marcus Dods - Presbyterian
Martin Dibelius - "German Protestant"
Adolf Deissmann - "German Protestant"
Frederick William Danker - Lutheran
John Cumming - Presbyterian
W. A. Criswell - Southern Baptist
John Cotton - Puritan
Hans Conzelmann - "German Protestant"
W. J. Conybeare - Anglican
Adela Yarbro Collins - Catholic
Richard J. Coggins - Anglican
Francis Close - Anglican
Thomas Kelly Cheyne - Anglican
Frederic Henry Chase - Anglican
R. H. Charles - Anglican
Francis Chan - Evangelical
Oswald Chambers - Baptist / Holiness
Owen Chadwick - Anglican
Robert S. Candlish - Calvinist

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 27 2013 2:01 PM

MJ. Smith:

Amish Prayers by Beverly Lewis is available in Vyrso - belongs in the Anabaptist.

Peace to you, Martha!           *smile*

              My wife and I have been fascinated by Beverly Lewis' novels of which we've read almost all.....             Really great ....

Her background is indeed Anabaptist.             However, (and I know that as you have been researching and categorising all these lovely people Logos handles that it's very difficult, if not impossible, to draw a firm conclusion and make an accurate positive determination!)      she herself is Assemblies of God                   edit   :    which would make her Pentecostal???      

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Beverly Lewis is a Christian fiction novelist and children's author of over 80 books.

She was born Beverly Marie Jones, and is a former schoolteacher and musician. She started playing the piano at age five, and began writing short stories and poetry when she was nine years old.

Much of her writing focuses on the Anabaptist heritage and the Old Order Amish. Her maternal grandmother, Ada Ranck Buchwalter, was born into an Old Order Mennonite Church, which interested Mrs. Lewis in her own "plain heritage." Her father was a pastor in Lancaster, Pennsylvania (the heart of the Pennsylvania Dutch community), where she was born and grew up. She was raised and continues to be part of the Assemblies of God community.

She went to Evangel University, and received the Distinguished Alumnus Award in 2003. She is also a member of the National League of American Pen Women.[1]

Beverly is married to David Lewis, and has three grown children and three grandchildren. They live in Colorado.

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