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John Thompson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 23 2012 9:04 PM

I am thinking about buying an iPad, but the clincher will be whether I can use the Logos on it or not. Can anyone tell me  how well it works? Is it basically the same? I depend on the "Passage Guide" quite a bit, does that feature work well on the iPad?

Thanks for any info.

 

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 23 2012 9:18 PM

John - first, welcome to the forums. My advice for you, based upon your stated needs, would be to not get an iPad. I have one, am responding to you now on one, but it isn't a full fledged computer, nor does it run L4. Personally, I believe that Logos has used some misleading advertising, although I don't believe there was any malintent. When Logos advertised "L4, take your library with you anywhere." (paraphrase), it sounded to many people like L4 would run on mobile devices, although that implication was not their intent. What was meant to be conveyed is that your L4 LIBRARY could be taken anywhere, although this requires an asterisk too... Not all resources are mobile enabled, due to publishers licensing agreements.

There is a passage guide on the mobile app, but it isn't as robust as L4 and requires an Internet connection. You would be better off getting a good laptop with an SSD hard drive.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 23 2012 9:31 PM

John, it is not basically the same. It is far less sophisticated than L4 for the computer is. One of it's bigger deficiencies is searching. It is pretty useless right now for that. The Passage Guide works very much like the desktop version. I don't use that often, and only use a few parts, but it works very much the same.

The iPad app is great for reading, which is why I bought an iPad. You can do some studying on it, but, again, it does not have the sophistication of the desktop app.

It does allow me to travel without taking my laptop. I can do basic studying and reading. As I said, forget  searching. Original language study is pretty difficult, too. No reverse interlinears, no direct single click access to original words, more difficulty using lexicons, etc. For portability and basic study it is fine. It is no replacement for the full version.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 7:04 AM

I love the Logos app on my iPad.  But it is basicly an ebook reader for your Logos library.  It is not for the same level of study that you can do in Logos 4 on a compurter. 

Actually, you can do quite a bit of study on the app.  It is possible to use a Greek lexicon, and some other simple language tools.  You can study as effectively as you could with paper books in my opinion.  But it is not like the Logos program on your computer.

That being said, do not underestimate the value of being able to read most of your Logos library on the iPad.  I love paper books, and never thought I would like to read on an ebook reader.  But I have come to love it.  I hate extensive reading on the computer, but I love it on the iPad or Kindle.  In fact, I prefer it to reading on paper now.  This has greatly increased the value of my Logos library to me.  I would now seldom purchase a resource that is not going to be available on the iPad.  Just my opinion.

But the gentleman from Alabama is correct.  If you are buying an iPad in expectation of using Logos 4 on it, you will be disappointed.  If you buy it to be able to read most of your Logos library on it,( as well as Kindle, Nook, and nearly every other ebook format,) you will be delighted.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 7:14 AM

Michael Childs:
That being said, do not underestimate the value of being able to read most of your Logos library on the iPad.  I love paper books, and never thought I would like to read on an ebook reader.  But I have come to love it.  I hate extensive reading on the computer, but I love it on the iPad or Kindle.  In fact, I prefer it to reading on paper now.  This has greatly increased the value of my Logos library to me.  I would now seldom purchase a resource that is not going to be available on the iPad.  Just my opinion.

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John Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 8:14 AM

Thank you guys for taking the time to answer my questions. I appreciate your input, it is helping me make a decision on this question. May the Lord Bless you all.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 11:16 AM

I agree that it is not as robust as the desktop L4 software, but I do use the ipad app all the time.  Even though it is mainly just a reader app, it still has the linking features between books, so that you can follow Bible verses or footnotes, citations, etc...  This is what sets it apart from other e-readers. 

Concerning linking, it is still not flawless.  Priorities do not work correctly as set on the desktop software.  So for instance, if I follow a link to the Apocrypha, it still goes to Charles, even though I have Charlesworth prioritized above it.  I still love it though.

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:23 PM

I use ipad more than laptop, but only for Bible and commentaries, not for searching etc.

I don't think "Take your library with you anywhere" is misleading - it's the full use of the library to which we don't have access on iPad.  I use Logos app on iPad daily, ditto vyrso.  But if I could only use one bit of hardware, I's go for laptop with the full Logos programme.  As it is, I seldom use Logos on laptop, but it's there if I want to search.  And there are a few resources that are not available on ipad.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:49 PM

nicky crane:
I don't think "Take your library with you anywhere" is misleading

It's not the "take your library" part that's misleading… it's the L4 part and then showing an iPad. People are led to believe that you can run "Logos 4" on the iPad and then are frustrated when the mobile app isn't L4. Again, I don't think there was any bad intent on the part of Logos… it was just poorly written.

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David Salazar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 1:11 PM

Am I right to assume that when the Full Windows 8 tablets (MS Surface, Thinkpad Tablet 2, etc.) come out, we'll be able to use Logos4 completely as if it were the desktop version?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 24 2012 1:39 PM

David Salazar:
Am I right to assume that when the Full Windows 8 tablets (MS Surface, Thinkpad Tablet 2, etc.) come out, we'll be able to use Logos4 completely as if it were the desktop version?

David - I am not a Microsoft guy, so you will have to take my answer with a grain of salt… Stick out tongue

It is my understanding that there will be two versions of Windows 8, and two kinds of Win 8 tablets. One will be more of a real tablet and will not run "legacy" apps. Those tablets WILL NOT run Logos, from what I understand. The other kind of Win 8 tablet is really a laptop with a touch screen. It is my understanding that those tablets WILL be able to run Logos 4, but I am not sure how well the app will function with the touch screen. I have read some users who swear by it, but I am skeptical… Logos was not designed for a touch screen. How would you enter text?

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2012 4:50 AM

I have been using Logos since 1992 or 1993, and over the years have accumulated approximately 5400 resources, which all run on the PC, but only 4,800 are available on my iPad.  However, it is the search and language tools in Logos 4, which gives the PC a distinct advantage over the iPad. The passage guide appears to work equally well in both. 

I love Logos on my iPad, and it goes with me everywhere, except inside Lansing Prison, where communication devices are not allowed. I'm 70 years old, and my iPad 3 is far easier on my eyes than my PC, even though I have two 24 inch monitors.  After lugging a 17 inch laptop to Russia and back several times, my iPad has the travel advantage.

I use my iPad 80% of the time. Hopefully, as the iPad version of Logos becomes more advanced I will find myself using it even more, but I seriously doubt it will ever replace Logos 4 on the PC or Mac.

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