Windows 8 RT App Available - Bible! by Logos Bible Software

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2012 3:37 PM

Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)

This is a very early release with limited functionality, but it does let you read and navigate books, sync last read location with other Logos products, etc. Our team is working hard to add more functionality, including notes, highlighting, etc.

The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use.

http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-US/app/bible/c54ee3d8-1ccb-4265-89ae-41ffb92f65e0

We also have a Windows 8-only "Verse of the Day" application that does run on Surface:

http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-in/app/verse-of-the-day/cb3a23bd-c12a-4e15-b7fa-322b2e5b1236

If you like either app, a rating/review would be helpful. (And If you feel you can't give a good review of the Bible! app until it does everything the 3 year-old iOS mobile app does, we'd appreciate your holding your review until a future release! :-) We know it only has a subset of the planned functionality right now.)

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 3:41 PM

Hi Bob

I don't have a Windows 8 system to try it on but congratulations for getting it out there so quickly.

Graham

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 3:42 PM

Graham, where is the like button when you need it?

Lynden Williams Communications

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 4:23 PM

This is a nice approach to building something for the Metro interface without trying to replicate the full desktop app experience. I had wondered how you guys were going to handle that.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 4:43 PM

Thanks Bob and Team Logos for doing yet another cutting edge and timely product that helps and excites us all (save Apple fanboys and girls! Wink)  I don't ever want to take all that you all do for granted.

I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 5:34 PM

Dan DeVilder:

Thanks Bob and Team Logos for doing yet another cutting edge and timely product that helps and excites us all (save Apple fanboys and girls! Wink)  I don't ever want to take all that you all do for granted.

I am very glad that Logos is working on making APPs for all users even though I am Mac person/iPAD fan, for all those who are not i am happy Bob is working on making you happy.

-Dan

PS: Don't consider myself an Apple Fanboy since while i believe they make top quality products, they have often in the past made mistakes and even today have made choices showing how stubborn they can be. 

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Charles E. Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2012 5:33 AM

I am interested in buying a surface that uses the ARM chip, having the Logos app is one of my desires for what I finally choose.  I'm glad to hear you are working on it.

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John Overstreet | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2012 10:16 PM

this is great news.... just finished installing the bible app... a version for WP8 will be a great addition!

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HUI-CHIEH LOY | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 9:47 PM

I've been running/testing this on a Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T. (That's a mouthful--the long and short is: a 11.6" tablet running the new Intel Clovertrail chipset, i.e., a dual core x86 CPU that gives comparable battery life to ARM processors, while being somewhat faster.)

It's a good first step, but still terribly short of what's available in Android and iOS. For instance, unless I'm totally missing something, you can't download resources to use offline. In fact, the app doesn't start properly without an internet connection. Even with a fairly fast connection, page turning is slow. But I'm looking forward to future improvements. If Logos can bring this to at least the level of what is offered in the Android app, it would be wonderful already. Keep up the good work.

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Pavel Škoda | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 3:15 AM

Apologies for OT but I would like to ask you about  Samsung ATIV 500T.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/tablet-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specs

I am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...  

What is your opinion based on your personal experience with 500T?

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HUI-CHIEH LOY | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 8:43 AM

I've not tried installing it, but I do not expect that full Logos will be very usable on the 500T. (One consideration is disk space--out of box, there is about 25GB of free space. But I've since added a 64GB Microsd.) But who knows. And now that you have got me thinking, I might try installing it and see how it goes. Give me a few days.

ADDENDUM: Considering that my Logos installation is some 14.4 GB and I have 18.5 GB left on my C: Drive on the 500T, and Logos4 installs to C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Logos4 (i.e., I don't think it installs to removable media)--I don't find the exercise all that appealing... So, sorry, don't think I'll do it after all. My opinion for now: it's a negative...

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Pavel Škoda | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 8:57 AM

OK, never mind. Thanks anyway.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 11:57 AM

Bob Pritchett:

Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)

...

The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use....

I'm glad to see Logos moving into that space, and a bit surprised by the future RT support--but happy to see it, esp if it doubles for WinPhone8.  

Even better is a tablet-friendly GUI.

 I'm sad to hear the full functionality won't be there though...that is why I still carry a laptop around.

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 5:11 PM

Pavel Škoda:
I am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...  

The 500T could have been considered with a 96-128 GB SSD. The 700T should be OK.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 4:27 PM

Bob Pritchett:

Our Bible! app is now available in the Windows 8 app store. (The current release only support Intel processors (not the ARM chip in Microsoft Surface), but we're working on building it for ARM now that we have access to a Surface.)

This is a very early release with limited functionality, but it does let you read and navigate books, sync last read location with other Logos products, etc. Our team is working hard to add more functionality, including notes, highlighting, etc.

The goal is to build a tablet/mobile app (and hopefully Windows Phone 8) that is similar to our iOS and Android apps; not the full Logos Bible Software, but a useful subset that is well suited to mobile use.

http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-US/app/bible/c54ee3d8-1ccb-4265-89ae-41ffb92f65e0

We also have a Windows 8-only "Verse of the Day" application that does run on Surface:

http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-in/app/verse-of-the-day/cb3a23bd-c12a-4e15-b7fa-322b2e5b1236

If you like either app, a rating/review would be helpful. (And If you feel you can't give a good review of the Bible! app until it does everything the 3 year-old iOS mobile app does, we'd appreciate your holding your review until a future release! :-) We know it only has a subset of the planned functionality right now.)

The article,"Windows 8 vs. Windows RT: It matters. Let's explain,"

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/24/technology/enterprise/windows-8-windows-rt-difference/index.html

says:

"Only one -- Windows 8 -- supports legacy apps, but both Windows 8 and Windows RT run the new brand of Start apps, which will likely become the standard form of Windows app going forward."

Legacy apps implies older apps, but Start apps doesn't seem to cover all the new apps.  Where do new apps written for Windows 8 fall?  In other words, will the same Logos software eventually be able to run on Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT?  My guess is the software you write for Windows RT will be able to run on Windows 8, but you will need to support the older Windows versions for years to come.  However, is it even feasible to write the fully functional Logos software so that it can run the same version on Windows 8 and Windows RT?

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 4:46 PM

Pavel Škoda:

Apologies for OT but I would like to ask you about  Samsung ATIV 500T.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/tablet-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specs

I am considering to buy Windows 8 tablet to run full Logos. I would like to know if 500T has sufficent power to run logos smoothly and swiftly - I am not sure if 2GB RAM and CPU ATOM is sufficent for LOGOS. Another option is 700T but it has higher price...  

What is your opinion based on your personal experience with 500T?

It appears possible because this is an Atom CPU (x86, not ARM compatible) running the 32bit Window 8 not RT.  (i.e. it runs legacy Windows software.)  It should run.  The question is how well.  You probably want at least a 32G microSD card to hold books, unless you only have a few.  It probably will be slow compared to many new computers, but many old computers running 32bit Windows and 2GB RAM now running Logos software probably doesn't run any faster.  I've run Logos 4 on a single-core desktop with WinXP 32bit and 2GB RAM, and it runs OK.  Reviews claim Windows 8 runs faster than XP.  You're main limitation will be the 64G SSD.  You might do OK.  If not, move your books to the microSD.

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Perry Webb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 4:48 PM

HUI-CHIEH LOY:

I've not tried installing it, but I do not expect that full Logos will be very usable on the 500T. (One consideration is disk space--out of box, there is about 25GB of free space. But I've since added a 64GB Microsd.) But who knows. And now that you have got me thinking, I might try installing it and see how it goes. Give me a few days.

ADDENDUM: Considering that my Logos installation is some 14.4 GB and I have 18.5 GB left on my C: Drive on the 500T, and Logos4 installs to C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Logos4 (i.e., I don't think it installs to removable media)--I don't find the exercise all that appealing... So, sorry, don't think I'll do it after all. My opinion for now: it's a negative...

Install the software on the SSD and put the books on the microSD.  Most of the space is probably your books.

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HUI-CHIEH LOY | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 5:46 PM

Good idea. I might try that. Thanks.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 12:13 AM

Perry Webb:
Install the software on the SSD and put the books on the microSD.

The Logos software and books are both installed to the same folder!  I'm not saying that you can't change that, but it's not possible using the Logos installer. So install to the SSD and then move the books (10 GB for me) to the microSD. That would leave me with 4 GB on the SSD (software, documents & indexes), but you initially need the room for the full installation + indexing. However, the resources will be accessed at speeds 3 - 5x slower than a HDD; not good for fast searches

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HUI-CHIEH LOY | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 12:18 AM

I've installed Logos to the MicroSD (i.e., D:\logos4\). I don't know of any way to have the logos program in one location and the resources in another, but you can choose where to install to during setup.

The long and short: it's very slow. It is taking a long time "preparing your library". So I'm not optimistic that it will be very usable even after everything settles down (all updated installed, indexed, etc.). Will report back later, assuming that the "preparing" will come to a happy end...

 

 

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