Chart of Logos 4 & Logos 5 Packages

Oh, I get it.

Thanks!

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package.  However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that.  For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade.  [*-)]

Kent Hendricks said:

We discovered that there are actually a few resources missing from the comparison chart. We're doing a thorough audit right now of all the resources in all base packages, and we will be adding additional books to the comparison chart soon.

Just wanted to make sure you've seen ERRORS: New comparison chart.

Kent Hendricks said:

Joe said:

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package.  However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that.  For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade. 

The NAC has several new volumes that are new to you. Since the collection has some new content, the entire collection is showing as new to you. You're right--this is confusing, and we're having some discussion about how to improve it.

Your upgrade discount still takes into account the volumes of the NAC you own.

Also, we're not just comparing your old base package contents to the new base package contents and applying the discount. We're applying the discount even if you bought a resource outside of a base package.

 

Kent,

Just add a footnote to the "new to you" commentary items stating that one or more resources are new and that the upgrade pricing under the hood takes into account your existing commentaries in the collection.  Also, add footnotes in the chart for some reverse-interlinears that do not yet exist in L5 but will be added in the future.

Thank you very much! That was just what I was looking for! Still needs some merging of some resources, but already very helpful.

Thank you for this great comparison tool.

I know that it took a lot of work to produce.

It would be nice if there was a package to get the Verbum contents if you have a L5 package.  Without paying full price etc.. 

Kent,

my
brain was in overtime whilst I slept and you voted last night (I'm in the UK!!)
Seeing as you are a LOGOS employee and discussing the upgrade website, here are
some thoughts from a former Systems Analyst and Designer (excuse the big-head...).

The
main issue is usually twofold, 1) appropriate information 2) clarity of the
communication of that information.

Regarding
the upgrade discount calculator I (and I believe others) would like to see 1)
WHAT we are paying for 2) A breakdown of this info. Let me suggest the
following

Based
on these assumptions:

i) The
comparison chart uses “Print value”, most ‘buy it separately’ books also do so,
otherwise they state Regular price. I assume the base value for all
calculations to be the Regular Price
ie what we would pay for it if it were to buy it as a Logos resource and it was
not on sale.

ii) New
packages have their ‘regular price’ determined by the above method.

iii) Logos
resources bought from other vendors are treated as above.

 iv) It
is stated that we are being given credit
for the books we own against any given package. I am assuming this is 100% credit of the value as stated above, whether
we paid the full ‘regular price’, a ‘sale price’, ‘academic pricing’, whether
as part of a library, bundle or collection, this to include items on pre-pub or
even community pricing. IE If we got the resource at a discount, then we are
not penalised for this

It
is now very simple!!

1)    
Appropriate information

Logos
have declared a price point for each of the new libraries thereby offering a
discount off regular pricing for the products bought as part this larger ‘bundle’.

In
order to ascertain the ‘upgrade price’ do the following

a)    
Calculate value of new library package using ‘regular price’

b)    
Calculate value of books in this library pre-owned by customer
using ‘regular price’

c)    
Calculate ‘credit’ given for these books (assumed 100% as nothing
stated to the contrary)

d)    
Calculate percentage of value pre-owned

e)    
Apply percentage value of pre-owned to new package price

f)     
Apply any further discount, ie 15, 20, 25% of higher end packages;
30% academic discount to this price

2)    
Clarity of Information

This
is important so that customers can SEE what is happening. All information
should already be available in the book database, so the only coding is really ‘display’.
The coding for part-series is minimal. It should be noted that this only needs
to be done for the items in the base libraries, not all of Logos’ resources.

a)    
The website should indicate this information in the popup box for
each base package

b)    
Each line item should show: base package value, pre-owned resource
value

                           Eg for NAC, I have 38 of the 40 volumes, therefore it might be
$699      $630

This
leaves Data sets and Features which are either FREE, ie available, but only
used by resources supplied in the higher end libraries or they can be given a
notional value which can be applied to the library value

In
summary, I truly believe that if this were done, ALL our questions would be
answered, we would know WHAT we are paying for and HOW the price has been
calculated.

I
love Logos, and recommend it to my friends, including the Bible College I
attend.

I wish the best for the company and there endeavours to be
seen to be honourable. Nothing has been done to intentionally mislead anyone, however,
appropriate and clear information on the upgrade calculator would have been
incredibly helpful in this regard.

Blessing to all,

Chris Rees

David,

I guess I was thinking more on the "How much am I getting credit for?" - I can see your thought also...

Randy W. Sims (Shayne) said:

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?.

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Thank you for all the work you did in compiling this spreadsheet listing. It enabled me to analyze my options and make an informed decision about my L5 upgrade.  

Hi!

I suggest that we could put the resources in the Logos 5 base package sections in the merged lists (for example, move the Merriam-Webster to the Preaching and Teaching section also in Logos 4 columns, etc). That would make it much easier to finish the merging process.

Another thing: It would be nice to have links to the individual resource product pages in logos.com (one extra column for that). I have collected links to most of the resources that are included in the Logos 4 Platinum an year ago, so that could be a good start.

Andrew, I think you mis-understood the process I suggested. Logos declare a 'print value'/base value. They then discount this to offer the base package price, which may be further discounted via a special deal, so I am simply suggesting they could be open about what %age is being given. 100% is not unreasonable, last year they offered 100% credit for upgrades in base packages. This is against the base value of the package. 

EG Base package value £1,000, my books included £700. = 70%

        Sale price for Base package £500, my discount (70%) £350 = £150 to upgrade

Chris

Hi!

I edited the Merged Logos table by comparing it systematically to the logos.com/upgrade -page. There was many duplicates. I hope at least most of them are now merged.

There is many resources, that has not the "This resource is new to Logos 5" -icon on them in the logos.com/upgrade -page, but that I couldn't find from the Logos 4 Base packages. They are marked with "Included in Logos 4 ?". I guess there's those "This resource is new to Logos 5" -icons missing in the upgrade page.

Wonderful, I love this chart. '

Would it also be possible to compare Catholic and 'normal' base packages?