Official: Minimum Crossgrade and free engine download are coming!

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:08 PM

Naveen Balakrishnan:

Hi Bob,

I just checked on my upgrade discount calculator and it shows that Believers Church Bible Commentary (24 vols) is new to me while I already own this particular set and shows up in my library.  

Did you buy the upgrade volumes? If not, you only have 19 volumes and the calculator is taking those 5 volumes into consideration.

EDIT: I bought the Believer's Bible Commentary upgrade last year and just checked the upgrade calculator and it did not show "New to Me" since I have the complete set. So on my end, the scales have been 100% correct. For my possible upgrade within the next week or so I have done a very thorough check and the calculator was very accurate.

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:10 PM

Naveen Balakrishnan:
I just checked on my upgrade discount calculator and it shows that Believers Church Bible Commentary (24 vols) is new to me while I already own this particular set and shows up in my library.

If there are new volumes in a collection which you don't own, the calculator will reflect the collection as "new to you." Logos has claimed that the calculator does take into consideration the volumes you already own.

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:14 PM

When I clicked on the link for my personal calculator for a Logos 5 price, I found that the calculator accurately sifted out what I had with what I didn't have--except for two collections: 1) New American Commentary series (NAC, 40 vols.) and 2) the Believers Church Bible Commentary (24 vols.)

I doubt it'll lower my price significantly to lure me to buy a package, but just relaying info to those interested.

At this stage, I think I'm waiting for the opportunity to get Logos 5 engine and features, without adding any new books.

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:18 PM

Ted Weis:

When I clicked on the link for my personal calculator for a Logos 5 price, I found that the calculator accurately sifted out what I had with what I didn't have--except for the 40 volume New American Commentary series (NAC).

I doubt it'll lower my price significantly to lure me to buy a package, but just relaying info to those interested.

At this stage, I think I'm waiting for the opportunity to get Logos 5 engine and features, without adding any new books.

Ted the NAC shows up if you own any NAC volumes, but calculates it based on the number. When I got L4 Platinum it came with volumes of the NAC but it wasn't 40. So it would show NAC on the upgrade page but only charge for 40 - the number already owned.

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David Rees | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:43 PM

Thanks Bob, Don & Logos Team,

in light of your post I will be considering my options 

regards

David

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:55 PM

David:

in light of your post I will be considering my options 

Welcome to the forums David! Smile

Let us know if we can help in any way. Are you a current Logos user?

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 12:59 PM

I have L4 Platinum plus other resources picked up along the way. I seriously doubt I'll upgrade to L5 via a base package. There really are not enough attractive resources to me in L5 Platinum, Diamond, or Portfolio to justify the cost. I already have more than I know what to do with. Smile The minimum crossgrade is attractive, if I rightly understand that it basically moves my resources into the update Logos program.

Besides, after taking a year to pay off my NICOT/NT plus ISBE, I have no inclination to get tied up in another long-term monthly Logos payment.

That said, I appreciate Logos as a company and as a Bible software package.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:02 PM

Bill, you are correct. You will keep your current resources.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:17 PM

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

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Robin Monks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:25 PM

Bill Moore:

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

More like the minimum needed to get access to the new stuff listed in http://www.logos.com/features without adding any unneccessary new resources. A direct program upgrade will supposedly be free, but will be missing most of the cooler new features because you wouldn't have the data sets.

 

There are still some rendering bugs in Logos 5 on Windows 8 as well (scrolling a resources sometimes causes the left 200px to become stuck in place and out of sync), but many fewer than with Logos 4 (clicking on a tab opens the previous tab you clicked instead of the tab you actually clicked in resource views). So, waiting a while might get some additional bugs ironed out as well.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:29 PM

OOOPS, Sorry Bill and thank you Robin for your clarification.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:30 PM

Bill Moore:

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

Essentially the engine download is that. The crossgrade as it is sometimes called contains some of the features.

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:31 PM

Bill Moore:

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

Essentially the engine download is that. The crossgrade as it is sometimes called contains some of the features.

See: The very first post.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:38 PM

Robin Monks:

Bill Moore:

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

More like the minimum needed to get access to the new stuff listed in http://www.logos.com/features without adding any unneccessary new resources. A direct program upgrade will supposedly be free, but will be missing most of the cooler new features because you wouldn't have the data sets.

 

There are still some rendering bugs in Logos 5 on Windows 8 as well (scrolling a resources sometimes causes the left 200px to become stuck in place and out of sync), but many fewer than with Logos 4 (clicking on a tab opens the previous tab you clicked instead of the tab you actually clicked in resource views). So, waiting a while might get some additional bugs ironed out as well.

Hi Robin. I was thinking about other computer programs which are upgraded to the "next" level, e.g. BibleWorks and even WORDsearch. There is usually a charge to move up to the newly released upgrade, and I think that is proper. Whether L5 qualifies as an upgrade or not, I do not know, though I suspect it does. I do not yet have L5 and am not curious enough right now to work through the videos and forum posts to see what's new.

I will say that, while I understand the need to make things better, the continual upgrading of programs wearies me. I realize that it's been three years since L4 was released, and three years is akin to a couple of centuries when it comes to technology Wink, but it seems like I get fairly comfortable with one release when the next one comes around the bend.

Sometimes I'm confused as to whether I am working the software or the software is working me. When so much is at one's disposal, it takes effort to slow down and digest and meditate upon what one is reading.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:41 PM

TCBlack:

Bill Moore:

Hi Rick. What I wrote must have been a bit muddled. I know that I will keep my resources. I was just saying that the minimum crossgrade is essentially a program upgrade from what I understand, moving from version 4 to version 5.

Essentially the engine download is that. The crossgrade as it is sometimes called contains some of the features.

See: The very first post.

I understand how Logos is using its terminology. I was relating, perhaps incorrectly, the entire engine download/minimum crossgrade to what other software companies would call their program upgrade. And for that, a $100 (preferably less!) fee would be understandable.

Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

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James Jordan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:44 PM

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Robin Monks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:48 PM

Yeah, I agree with a lot of the sentiment around how the upgrade was launched, and, I'd like to provide an alternate scenario, in another universe much like ours where Logos 5 launched like this:

Susan loves her Logos 4, and, one day after opening it and updates were applied she saw a screen offering for her to upgrade her app to version 5 for free, or to be reminded in a week. There were some UI changes, and support for a new library item type called "data sets," the first two were included for free and a short demo video was right there in the window. She had some free time, so she clicked Yes and Logos 5 and the two new data sets downloaded and she restarted in Logos 5.

She loved the new datasets, and a simple walk through demo was provided to show her exactly how to make the best use of them. After, she clicked on the new "Store" link and looked at all the other new data sets she could get, each one was $20 and came with a top library title that make the most use of it (that she didn't already own) to get her started, along with a list of all resources she didn't and did own that could make use of the new resource. Susan also got the option to expand her library in broad swoops if she wanted, and she quickly fell in love with and bought the Bronze package as well as an additional data set that suited her. She continued exploring the new Logos 5 while her resources downloaded in the background and bragged about searching the Bible by verb on Facebook to her friends. Now Susan loves her Logos 5.

 

Just a fictional case study for Logo's project dev and marketing teams the next time they get the itch to release a product and not confuse people ;)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 1:51 PM

James Jordan:
At some point I would hope you will address those who "paid the bills" but I will settle for that day when it comes.

That's what the point of this thread is all about! I'm not sure what your point is?

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Phillip D. Mosher | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 7:04 PM

Mr. Pritchett, Thank you so very much for this clarification. Rev. Phillip D. Mosher

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2012 9:04 PM

Bill Moore:
I understand how Logos is using its terminology. I was relating, perhaps incorrectly, the entire engine download/minimum crossgrade to what other software companies would call their program upgrade.
The software will actually be free. The crossgrade will be new content that drives some of the features of that free software.

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