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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012 9:47 PM

Hello forum,

I am considering purchasing a new computer and installing Win8 on it.

If I do this I would move Logos 3 to the new computer.

My question is this, has anyone be using Logos 3 on a pc with Win8 as its operating system? If so, have you experienced any difficulties in compatability?

Also, if you know of any previous posts on this subject please direct me to them.

Thank you.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 1:48 PM

Y2K2:

Hello forum,

I am considering purchasing a new computer and installing Win8 on it.

If I do this I would move Logos 3 to the new computer.

My question is this, has anyone be using Logos 3 on a pc with Win8 as its operating system? If so, have you experienced any difficulties in compatability?

Also, if you know of any previous posts on this subject please direct me to them.

Thank you.

You just might want to upgrade to L5 once the free engine comes out.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 6:25 PM

Y2K2:
am considering purchasing a new computer and installing Win8 on it.

Microsoft has removed the Start button from Windows 8; the user interface and interaction is a bit different.

On a touch screen, can swipe in from the sides for some options.

Several editions of Windows 7 included XP Mode.  For Windows 8, Microsoft replaced Virtual PC with Hyper-V, which can be used to create a Windows XP virtual machine => http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-8-xp-mode-part-1-hyper-v/ that would have an older version of Internet Explorer, which is used by Libronix 3 for display rendering.

Microsoft has a Windows 8 comparison page => http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare

Windows 8 RT cannot run Logos applications (e.g. Libronix 3, Logos 4/5).  See forum for Windows 8 apps from Logos => Windows Store Apps

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 8:16 PM

Thanks for your reply. To date I have not used the workspace much so not having it in Win8 would not be a noticeable inconvenience.

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 8:26 PM

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 8:32 PM

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Thanks for the links and the information. One of my main considerations for retaining Win7 is its XP Mode. I have an Epson photo scanner that is in perfect condition that will not run under Vista or Win7.

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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2012 8:40 PM

Y2K2:

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon.  You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade.  There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade.  You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 3:44 AM

Y2K2:

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

Yes, you will be able to run L5 without buying anything.  As a matter of fact, you can download L4's engine right now for free.  I believe that you will have to wait two to three weeks before downloading the free L5 engine. Because you are just downloading the program and not any of the resources, you will not have access to things like Biblical things.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 3:46 AM

Tom Geswein:
There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon.  You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade.  There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade.  You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.
This is the cross-grade option.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 7:05 AM

Y2K2:

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

Like Logos 4, the software engine for Logos 5 will be freely available soon, possibly later this month.  Also like Logos 4, to use new features needs new resources with appropriate data.  For example, Logos changed reverse interlinear formatting between Libronix 3 and Logos 4.  Logos has migrated many Greek resources to Logos Greek Morphology tagging, which enables Morph Search in more resources in Logos 4 and Logos 5.

Thankful for option to use Logos 5 and Libronix 3 at the same time (running both 32 bit applications on 64 bit Windows 7):

My favorite feature in Logos 5 and Logos 4 is visual filter highlighting so can "see" morphological codes in Greek and English using resources in parallel:

Highlighting verbs and things enables quick referencing between Greek and English while showing context in each language.   English is not Greek, both are not Hebrew nor Aramaic. Proper names tend to have a one to one correspondence between languages, but others words cover a range of expression with a variety of nuances.

 Visual highlighting shows 7 verbs in Matthew 6:9-13 in the imperative mood.  Reverse interlinear has the M in the morphological tagging for iMperative:

Logos Wiki has visual filter examples => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

Logos forum thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/47696.aspx about Greek Tools includes a couple screen shots from Logos resources, which have Greek verbal mood summaries.

Note: on Windows, mouse hover items appear in a pop-up.  Thankful can freely use Logos 4 and Logos 5 on my electronic devices running either OS X or Windows.  Libronix 3 only runs on Windows; the initial Libronix 3 port to Mac OS X essentially became an eBook reader after Safari 5 upgrade.

tom:

Tom Geswein:
There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon.  You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade.  There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade.  You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.
This is the cross-grade option.

Logos changed the upgrade rules for Logos 5 packages. The dynamic pricing engine calculates credit for all resource licenses in all package upgrades, including Verbum and minimal crossgrade. Thankful for option to choose different Logos package(s). Noticed Logos 5 Starter package includes 4 of the 16 new Logos 5 data sets plus a number of media resources and Bible Reference resources along with reverse interlinear resources.  Logos 5 Starter has many of the Logos 4 minimal crossgrade resources.

The Logos 5 Silver package includes 15 of the 16 new data sets plus more resources. The Gold package has resources for all the new Logos 5 features.

To encourage sales of larger packages, Logos has additional % discount during launch promotion: e.g. up to 30 % off for upgrade to Logos 5 Portfolio package, whose content bundling has changed. The upgrade page shows an icon "New to you" if an upgrade has one or more new resources: e.g. NAC Commentary of 40 volumes has "New" icon when only 1 would be added; personally wish for a count of new resources to appear with "New to you" icon.

Am aware of a Logos 4 Platinum user who is planning a Logos 5 Silver "upgrade" for $ 256.54 since the higher packages do not have enough new useful resources for that user; less expensive to purchase a few resources individually that could include minimal crossgrade for Bible Sense Lexicon. The Silver package includes Theological Lexicons of the Old and New Testaments along with the complete works of Francis A Schaeffer, whose regular prices are more than the dynamic upgrade amount.

Personally upgraded from Logos 4 Platinum to Logos 5 Portfolio; my delta upgrade cost from Diamond to Portfolio was less than 10 % of the combined regular price for a number of items in my wish list. Looking forward to using many "new" resources with Logos 5.

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 7:34 AM

Thank you for all the work that you put into your reply -the graphs and charts as well as the information.

 

I will not be upgrading from Logos 3. I have reached the saturation point for both printed as well as electronic resources. What I must now do is to make good use of what I already have.

 

BTW, I have pretty much decided NOT to upgrade my operating system to Win8 Pro. I spent many hours yesterday and today researching online computer magazines and Windows forums and my conclusion is that it be would better for me to continue with Win7. The only real incentive for me even considering an upgrade to Win8 was the low price of downloading it from Microsoft's website.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2012 8:54 AM

Ah yes, intelligent decision.

I'm centering on L3 plus W7-64/virtual-box for the foreseeable future. L3 was a good place to step off the train. I run L4 but only if it doesn't hiccup (at which point Bob's fire-someone-today will be rigorously applied; perform or else).

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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calvin cho | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 5:39 PM

may be happen some problem.

win8 can't enhanced to L3.

you can't use some function.

for example, workspace file didn't save.

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 5:00 AM

Y2K2:
BTW, I have pretty much decided NOT to upgrade my operating system to Win8 Pro.

Wise decision. It's not compatible with Libronix (L3). Stay with Windows 7 for as long as you can.

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 9:36 AM

Dave,

 

Thanks for the tip. I did not know that Win8 is not compatible with Libronix 3 but it does not surprise me. One ofthe main problems with updating an OS is that you could find yourself unable to use valuable software.

 

I have both Win7 Ultimate and Vista Ultimate. Libronix 3 is compatible with both so I will stick with them.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 11:57 AM

Y2K2:
I have both Win7 Ultimate and Vista Ultimate. Libronix 3 is compatible with both so I will stick with them.

And stick with IE9 which is the engine for Libronix!  IE10 is not compatible with Libronix.

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Y2K2 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 12:14 PM

Now that’s disappointing news. I was looking forward to downloading and installing IE10.

 

I don’t understand your saying that IE9 is the engine for Libronix.

 

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 1:13 PM

Y2K2:

Now that’s disappointing news. I was looking forward to downloading and installing IE10.

 

I don’t understand your saying that IE9 is the engine for Libronix.

 

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

Yes and no.  Each version of Logos does have its own engine, but each engine uses part of the OS.  Libronix is dependent on IE, and IE10 and Libronix do not play together, and Logos has said that they are not updating Libronix for IE10.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 4:17 PM

Y2K2:

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

Libronix 3.0g using the Internet Explorer (IE) engine with javascript rendering for on screen display.  The IE 9 patch is a registry setting to use older javascript.

In contrast, Logos 4 uses .NET Framework 3.5 with Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF).  Logos 5 uses .NET Framework 4.5 with WPF.  Microsoft does not support .NET Framework 4.5 on Windows XP so Logos 5 needs Windows Vista or newer.

The Libronix 3 port for Mac OS X used Safari 4 for display rendering with javascript.  Apple did not provide an older javascript option in Safari 5 so the Logos for Mac v 1.2.2 application essentially became an eBook reader on OS X.  Similar effect is happening to Libronix 3.0g with IE 10 in Windows 8.

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