will l4 become obslete?

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David Grace | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2012 9:32 AM

is l4 on its way out? just tell us truthfully!

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 9:36 AM

L4 will continue to be supported for awhile. Logos has stated it will continue to provide updates to Logos 4. 

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 9:51 AM

David Grace:

is l4 on its way out? just tell us truthfully!

It will most likely go the way of L3, and eventually not be supported, but still functional. This is the general path all software companies follow.

 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 9:53 AM

David Grace:

is l4 on its way out? just tell us truthfully!

Rev 21 : 1

I guess it will be gone by then.

Seriously - the only computers that ran L4 and won't run L5 are those running XP or an old version of MacOX (I can't remember which).

XP machines are not likely to be about after a few years - replacement will be much cheaper than repair and new software is unlikely to cater for XP.

In the new year there will be a free upgrade to L5 those that persist in running L4 will be a shrinking cohort cut off from support from most other users who will be unfamiliar with L4 restricted facilities.

If L4 runs now it will continue to run but honestly it is on its way out to all intents and purposes.

But not really because of anything Logos the company is doing. 

 

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Charles Reeder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:11 AM

I personally can't see why we can't update to 5 and just keep what we have without adding programs we don't want or need until later when maybe it could be afforded!

Chuck

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:17 AM

David Grace:

is l4 on its way out? just tell us truthfully!

Everything becomes obsolete at some point.  The real question is, 'when'.

All the tidbits I've seen indicate that L4 will continue to be supported and updated for the time being.  Unlike what someone else said above, I don't think L4 will be like L3.  L3 and L4 were very different vehicles.  L4 and L5 are very similar vehicles.  Many of the updates to L5 will also fit L4, or at least be easily modified to fit.  I think we'll see active support for L4 for a longer period of time than we did L3.

But by the time there's an L6 or L7, then I don't think L4 will be supported.  But that doesn't mean it won't still work (assuming you maintain hardware that is compatible with it).

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:19 AM

Hi Chuck

Charles Reeder:

I personally can't see why we can't update to 5 and just keep what we have without adding programs we don't want or need until later when maybe it could be afforded!

Chuck

Sorry, don't understand. Which "programs" are you referring to?

You will be able to upgrade to for free when the free upgrade becomes available in Q1 2013. This will provide the new L5 engine and UI but not the new datasets and resources included in the base packages and crossgrade options.

Graham 

 

 

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:24 AM

Charles Reeder:

I personally can't see why we can't update to 5 and just keep what we have without adding programs we don't want or need until later when maybe it could be afforded!

Chuck

You can...Logos has stated that once the launch period is over for L5 they will release the free engine for L5 for download. So you can just keep your books.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:26 AM

Doc B:

 But that doesn't mean it won't still work (assuming you maintain hardware that is compatible with it).

There is the BIG question: " How long will one be able to run L4 on still existing computers?  IOW, when all Windows 7 and 8 computers "die" , will L4 die? At that point will L4 die? 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:32 AM

Shawn Drewett:
when all Windows 7 and 8 computers "die" , will L4 die?

It follows by necessity, I think.

But this isn't a Logos feature (or flaw).  There's a LOT of other software that will be in the same boat.  Designed obsolescence isn't going away until we get to heaven.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 10:49 AM

This post has me thinking on when I once had some old DOS programs on 5-1/4" Floppies. The programs worked, so long as I had the hardware to run them, however, as time went on, 5-1/4" Floppy drives became non existent and the systems progressed so much that the programs would no longer run (even though they were moved to the harddrive). Although L4 uses a fairly new platform (the cloud), I think it will become obsolete by way of the hardware and operating system used to run it. Smile

 

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:09 PM

Sorry I've been away from the computer for several hours. Erwin and Doc B's posts confirmed my thinking. So if I don't upgrade at some point, my books will be usuable. Say in 15 years?

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:20 PM

Shawn,

I just purchased the minimal crossgrade for a little over a hundred dollars.  I got a lot with it IMHO, ie. data sets plus the resources needed.  I see it as an investment to keep my Logos library going over the longhaul.  I figure that every three years or so Logos will have an update and I need to invest a little to keep it going.  But I got something for my money and was not throwing it away by any means.  This is my situation and your's may be very different.  Just wanted to share that.  God bless.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:24 PM

Further question: 

" If I download the free engine upgrade each time it is offered, will I continue to be able use my books indefinitely? "

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Naveen Balakrishnan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:29 PM

L4 will eventually become obselete but it will still be a functioning reality as L3 is on some of the people's computers and they are content with it.  Some are still using Libronix.  It is a just a matter of preference.  Some of the programs that were designed for Microsoft 95 will not work now on Microsoft XP, windows 7 or 8 running computers.  So remember, L4 will function as long as you have a computer that will support L4.  Unfortunately computers die and you have to upgrade and with it the software.  But you can get the free L5 engine which will be available in the 1st Quarter of 2013.  You have got nothing to lose by upgrading to L5 free engine at that time to keep your software functioning and kinda current in the years to come.  For that I am thankful to the LORD.

In Christ Alone

Naveen

Hebrews 13:5

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Naveen Balakrishnan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:33 PM

Shawn,

Yes indefinitely if you continue to live here indefinitely here on earth (and you know how that is going to end... Ecclesiastes 3:2; Job 14:5; Psalm 139:16; Acts 17:26).  On a temporal level, as long as Logos is in business and keeps its software upto date with the concurrent software platforms, you should be able to use your books with the upgraded free engines in the years to come without any problems.

 

In Christ Alone and for His Glory

Naveen

1 Corinthians 10:31

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:36 PM

That's good news! 

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Daniel Sinclair | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:42 PM

I totally agree, this is outrageous that I have to purchase all of my content again just for an improved piece of software! We should get v. 5 automatically, and only be charged for new content.

Someone in the organization needs to address this, I for one am very unhappy with this approach of making me 'upgrade.' It's like amazon making me purchase new kindle software (free, btw) in order to read the books I bought previously.Angry

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Daniel Sinclair | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:45 PM

And if the above posts are correct about us being able to get the new functionality for free, at the very least, someone in PR needs to make this more obvious to existing customers.

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David Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2012 3:53 PM

Daniel Sinclair:

I totally agree, this is outrageous that I have to purchase all of my content again just for an improved piece of software! We should get v. 5 automatically, and only be charged for new content.

When you purchase a L5 base package, you pay for new content + whatever dataset(s) included in the package.  Logos never charges you for resources that you already own.  See the Logos 5 FAQ.

 

Daniel Sinclair:

And if the above posts are correct about us being able to get the new functionality for free, at the very least, someone in PR needs to make this more obvious to existing customers.

Logos will offer a basic L5 engine for free sometime in 1Q 2013.  This free engine will not have all the new functionality.  If you want all the new stuff in L5, consider the Minimum Crossgrade.

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