Why is it so hard to read the introduction/background of a book?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 5:42 PM

Passage Guide looks for Bible Verses so cannot find commentary Introduction nor preface.

Option: filter Library for:

 type:commentary subject:Galatians

OR choose a collection with Galatian commentaries in Library

Then clicking a resource opens to last bookmark in the resource.  If have not opened resource before, the default is the start of the resource, which is often the Title Page:

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 5:57 PM

After posting Library filter option, realized could search a collection for Introduction in Large Text and Heading Text for quick access to Introductions:

Personally added this search to a folder in my Favorites.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 5:58 PM

The passage guide has the ability to do more then just look at passages, for example we have an outline section that is suppose to pull the outlines for whatever book we are searching. However, my outline section does not do what it is suppose to, it did not even pick up the outline from NIGTC. This is not the only commentary that I own that it did not pull the outline from. The passage guide has the ability to do many things, why can't it give me the background on a book when I own the book. When I bought logos many years ago the selling point was that it is a librarian, not only will it find the book for you, but it would turn to the correct page saving you time. Thanks for your help with the idea of creating a collection.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 6:43 PM

Blair Laird:
The passage guide has the ability to do more then just look at passages

Logos 5 added Biblical Events to Passage Guide:

Searching for Introduction, Preface in Large Text, Heading Text has a number of useful search result links.

Blair Laird:
However, my outline section does not do what it is suppose to, it did not even pick up the outline from NIGTC. This is not the only commentary that I own that it did not pull the outline from.

Concur outline section is missing many outlines: search found more:

 

Personally surprised that Structure is not found in the New International Greek New Testament while can find VI using Logos 5.0a on Windows 7.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 7:12 PM

When you create your collection on Galatians, how did you get study bible commentaries into your collection? When trying to create a collection I am having a hard time. I tried just typing in subject:Galatians and come up with only 17 results for my collection. When I type just Galatians which should bring up the most resources, my results change to 24. I more then 24 commentaries on Galatians.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 7:35 PM

Blair Laird:
When you create your collection on Galatians, how did you get study bible commentaries into your collection?

Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Canonical_Commentary_Collections

For a quick check of collection, filtered library for:

Galatians Type:Commentary

Library filter included a volume on Colossians and Philemon.  Also noted the "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers First Series, Volume XIII" description includes Galatians.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 8:14 PM

That link was helpful, thanks.. I am currently having a problem indexing, not sure if that is what is causing the problem, but I am showing only 18 results when using that filter code provided on wiki

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 8:39 PM

Blair Laird:
However, my outline section does not do what it is suppose to, it did not even pick up the outline from NIGTC. This is not the only commentary that I own that it did not pull the outline from.

Simple answer: Not all resources have been retagged to support this feature.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 24 2012 8:39 PM

Blair Laird:
but I am showing only 18 results when using that filter code provided on wiki

The wiki filter includes Type:commentary

Looking in Library for Galatians includes other resource types:

The monograph "Collected Writings of W.E. Vine." includes commentary on Galatians, but lacks Logos tagging for verse indexing.  Also noticed another monograph resource that has outlines.

The wiki has an optional collection => http://wiki.logos.com/Canonical_Commentary_Collections#One_Volume_Commentary_Collections that can be created and added.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 25 2012 9:03 AM

So I tried to add the one volume commentaries/ study bible to my collection on Galatians, that was easy. After the collection was created I tried to the search using heading text, and it did not work properly. The one volume commentaries that do have an introduction section for Galatians, also have introductions for other books, and sometimes it is hard to distinguish between what book the introduction goes to. Here are some examples:

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 25 2012 9:49 AM

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Passage Guide looks for Bible Verses so cannot find commentary Introduction nor preface.

Also why would anyone type in a whole book name in the Passage Guide, that will/would mean that the Guide tries to deal with the whole book and will take forever to load. I always keep my passage & exegetical guides as focused as possible vis-a-vis a passage.

Also the way I work is I usually start with a passage in Bible or other resource, open a passage guide, then click in it to go to one or more commentaries - in which case I want to go to the specific verse in the commentary, not the intro. Anyway once the commentary loads just press [Home] key.

Sorry I may be missing something but I can't see the point.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 25 2012 10:47 AM

Blair Laird:
The one volume commentaries that do have an introduction section for Galatians, also have introductions for other books, and sometimes it is hard to distinguish between what book the introduction goes to.

Concur; initially included one volume commentaries in my canonical collections, then removed them after searching some times.

Found some one volume commentaries that have an Introduction for Galatians plus found some more in Entire Library:

Searched Heading Text, Large Text for:

Introduction WITHIN 10 WORDS Galatians

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 11 2013 6:16 PM

Bump.. Really would like to see this feature in logos.. Please vote..

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 11 2013 8:38 PM

I've run out of votes, but it should be relatively simple to consistently tag Introduction material with the bible book name rather than page number.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 12 2013 1:59 PM

MJ is correct that we haven't yet retagged all the commentaries that have outlines. So those without outline tagging don't show up in the Outlines section. We're working on it, though.

We're working on defining a future feature to expose a breadth of introductory book-level material: running a Passage Guide on an entire book often doesn't work well. Some of that information exists already, but it's not easy enough to find: for Galatians

  • go to Tools > Reading Lists
  • type "Galatians" in the search box
  • select Epistle to the Galatians (authored by "Logos, Community": sometimes there are other pages with similar names)

This displays a lengthy list of links, categorized by type of information, to a select set of commentaries: overviews of the book, summaries of the book's content, discussions about authorship, date, purpose, etc. The web view of this at http://topics.logos.com/Epistle_to_the_Galatians gives a little more information about the categories. The view inside Logos may include links to resources you don't own: those are indicated with a lock icon. Users can add more resources to these pages (please read http://topics.logos.com/Bible_Book_Reading_List_FAQ first!).

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 12 2013 4:28 PM

Thanks Sean,

There is a many people who use Antioch Hermeneutics when studying the word. This sort of thing will help stream line bible study using that method. The reading list is helpful.. Is this sort of background info going to have its own guide, or be another section in the passage guide?

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 12 2013 4:47 PM

Divinesoteriology:

Thanks Sean,

There is a many people who use Antioch Hermeneutics when studying the word. This sort of thing will help stream line bible study using that method. The reading list is helpful.. Is this sort of background info going to have its own guide, or be another section in the passage guide?

We're still working out the best ways to make this information accessible to users, and it's part of broader thinking about future versions of the product. So i can't say much about that yet.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 12 2013 6:24 PM

I understand, thanks for giving what info you could.

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