New Feature in Logos 5: Popular Highlights

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 5:19 AM

Mark Barnes:

A Logos version of this would be fascinating! https://kindle.amazon.com/most_popular

Yes

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 5:26 AM

The correct answer to 'can personalized highlighting not be sent to Logos' is 'no'. Saying 'turn the internet off' is duplicitous. The writer knows full well Logos4 and above needs the internet to buy books, get fixes to Logos goofs, etc. This issue goes back probably to the Logos4 beta days.  And I KNEW that Logos wouldn't be able to simply store the highlights etc for users to allow multi-platform accessability.

Now, that said, I'm not complaining about the new function. Just as with some of the other community features, this will REALLY be great for the broad majority (99%?) of users. In my own case, I just don't highlight on Logos4/5 ... instead I do all my highlighting and notes etc in Libronix (except for a few Logos4 books which will be deleted on completion).

Stubborn? Yes.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 5:57 AM

Mark Barnes:
A Logos version of this would be fascinating!

Agreed! Smile

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 6:01 AM

I know a few people won't find what I'm about to say satisfactory, but it's a fact that almost everything we do now is anonymised and aggregated. Every Google search, every supermarket purchase — every time we drive into a city there will be cameras analysing the traffic patterns. As long as the data is truly anonymised, I don't think there are privacy issues (Kindle don't provide an opt-out, by the way).

That said, I think that if we have 'Send Feedback' set to nothing, then it shouldn't aggregate our data.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 6:16 AM

Mark Barnes:

I know a few people won't find what I'm about to say satisfactory, but it's a fact that almost everything we do now is anonymised and aggregated. Every Google search, every supermarket purchase — every time we drive into a city there will be cameras analysing the traffic patterns. As long as the data is truly anonymised, I don't think there are privacy issues (Kindle don't provide an opt-out, by the way).

That said, I think that if we have 'Send Feedback' set to nothing, then it shouldn't aggregate our data.

I don't understand the big deal.  It is a highlight, it doesn't reveal who you are, what you believe or anything.  I don't understand the problem.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 6:19 AM

David Taylor Jr:
I don't understand the big deal.  It is a highlight, it doesn't reveal who you are, what you believe or anything.  I don't understand the problem.

I agree that to me it's not a problem. But if Logos says that setting "Send Feedback" to "None" does not gather any information (which it does say), then people with that setting should not have their highlights aggregated. I hope that is already the case, and it's just been communicated badly.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 6:48 AM

Mark Barnes:

That said, I think that if we have 'Send Feedback' set to nothing, then it shouldn't aggregate our data.

Yes

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 6:50 AM

Ben Torell:
Once this feature is deployed, popular phrases in non-Bibles will be shown with a light, dashed underline.

This feature could be handy when browsing through a large amount of material.

Once Logos users are familiar with this feature, it would be nice if it could be a little less intrusive in the text.

Could the annotation [17 highlights] be reduced to a smaller font size? Sans serif?

Or with only the number and X?

[17X]

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:00 AM

David ... I don't disagree with you or Mark's disinterest in the issue. And I don't try to 'control' the full enjoyment of other's use of Logos.

But I used to do data mining (and still do with the hebrew and greek) and was a speaker at the mining conferences. The problem isn't 'today'. The problem is 'tomorrow'. People just do not know how smart computers are (the databases they usually can comprehend). Does that mean Logos can't be trusted. No. I just make a rule to limit on-line data flow and avoid companies that ignore people like 'me'. Frankly, I think Europe is far ahead of the US in looking down the road.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:08 AM

DMB:

David ... I don't disagree with you or Mark's disinterest in the issue. And I don't try to 'control' the full enjoyment of other's use of Logos.

But I used to do data mining (and still do with the hebrew and greek) and was a speaker at the mining conferences. The problem isn't 'today'. The problem is 'tomorrow'. People just do not know how smart computers are (the databases they usually can comprehend). Does that mean Logos can't be trusted. No. I just make a rule to limit on-line data flow and avoid companies that ignore people like 'me'. Frankly, I think Europe is far ahead of the US in looking down the road.

The point is it is a highlight, not personal info. 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:20 AM

Like I said, David. You under-estimate your future.  I worked for a company where ALL data was anonymous. But our programs could extract the customers with relative ease. Behavior is predictable.  We even had software that could predict specific customer tracking as they walked into our stores, what height they would view, left/right turns etc. Is this Logos? No. But every decision forward for a Logos-like company is based on user comfort.

I just got back from visiting my Dad who was a Church of Christ minister. I told him I was now a Catholic, and his face really fell (no offense to forum Catholics). Then I explained I'd been ordering books from Catholic publishers and now my public 'profile' is very likely Catholic.  Even my mail-lady thinks I'm catholic (we're a small town).

But I will say (and I honestly don't know why) that Catholic scholars really do good work. I'm hoping as Logos expands its Catholic offering, that more and more related scholars show up (so my mail-lady won't be misled of course).

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:41 AM

fgh:

David Mitchell:
If you set "Use Internet" to "no" in the Program Settings, you will not transmit any information to us.

Are you saying that even if we have Send Feedback set to None, you're taking our data anyway???

Setting "Send Feedback" to "None" controls whether statistics about your system (resolution, CPU speed, etc.) and basic usage statistics (number of sessions, average session length, etc.) are sent to our servers.

Other data that you enter into the application—such as notes and other documents—are discussed in the "Online Backup" section of our EULA, which can be found here: http://www.logos.com/support/EULA.

fgh:
I asked this same question about Community Tags and Ratings earlier, but received no reply. This time I want one!

If you feel that any of your questions have been inadequately answered or overlooked, please contact Customer Service or—if an issue is important to you—even our CEO (bob@logos.com), who regularly corresponds with customers. We can't guarantee that we'll see—and answer—every question on the forums, so if you need an answer directly from Logos, this is the best way to go.

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:43 AM

Ben Torell:

If you want to disable popular highlights for all resources, you can right-click on the Popular Highlights Visual Filter and select “Do not show in any resources.”

 

This works for popular highlights (Yes) ... can we now have the same facility for 'Show Footnotes on Page' so that they can call be turned off.

Thanks.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 7:43 AM

Edwin Bowden:

Once Logos users are familiar with this feature, it would be nice if it could be a little less intrusive in the text.

Could the annotation [17 highlights] be reduced to a smaller font size? Sans serif?

Or with only the number and X?

I believe that there are plans for a more subtle style in a future version of the desktop app.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 8:07 AM

David Mitchell:
Setting "Send Feedback" to "None" controls whether statistics about your system (resolution, CPU speed, etc.) and basic usage statistics (number of sessions, average session length, etc.) are sent to our servers.

I understand that, and have no objection to Logos receiving our highlighting data even with that setting set to 'none' - it's used for sync, after all. But I do feel that users who have have setting set to 'none' should not have their data aggregated or analysed at all.

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 8:22 AM

 

I don't have this feature. I have portfolio and 5.0a. No updates available

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 8:30 AM

Schezic:

I don't have this feature. I have portfolio and 5.0a. No updates available.

You don't need an update, it is turned on by a visual filter.

Also note that it is not currently enabled in Bibles

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 8:36 AM

 That was it. I didn't know it didn't apply to Bibles.... Thanks

 

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 9:37 AM

Ben Torell:
Popular Highlights is a Visual Filter, so you can toggle it in the Visual Filters menu of each resource.

Can the default setting for this please be OFF.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 9:39 AM

Harry Hahne:
Can the transmission of personal highlighting data to Logos be disabled in the setup?

 

Agree that this should be an option.

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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